Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes

133 opinions for Tom Cruise Presenting at the Screen Actor’s Guild Awards

• ng
  Jan 27, 2008 at 10:45 pm

  Cruise does not look like he is very happy these days. He looks like he is putting on a serene face because he probably didn’t want to back out of this comitment.

  When someone is genuienly happy you can see it in their face, their eyes. Look at the link below of Angelina and Brad, they are radiating joy, happiness, peace. I bet Angelina is pregnant and that is why Brad is happy.

  http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20168762_20174084,00.html

• ng
  Jan 27, 2008 at 11:06 pm

  Cruise is someone that was delusional, arrogant, narcisstic, and full of himself. I bet this rejection of late has been humbling for him. Who knows how many deals they had in the pipeline that have now been put on hold indefinitely or are not gonna happen. I am sure back in Oct 2007 they thought Lambs for Lions would be a hit, and then Mad Money would ride on the coattails of that hit, and then this fashion label that OK magazine says Katie is working on would keep her busy while she worked on her next movie.

  Nope, instead the YOUTUBE video was leaked, the Morton book was released, the writer’s strike continues, Mad Money bombed along with Lions for Lambs and Valikie (or whatever the name is) has been pushed back to October 2008. No, it doesn’t look like things are looking good for the career of these two people.

  Poor Suri. That’s the victim here.

• Carla
  Jan 28, 2008 at 4:56 am

  ng:

  You described Cruise as being delusional. arrogant, narcissistic and full of himself. Well, that’s also a complete description of Katie. My, my, my, he met his match! The higer the rise, the greater the fall.

• New York
  Jan 28, 2008 at 8:03 am

  I wonder if Tom, with the insistence of Katie and her family, will snap out of his Scientology brainwashing after this complete media debacle. He has to realize how utterly ridiculous he looks saluting to the poster of LRH and all the You Tube parodies of himself. He certainly doesn’t live under a rock and has to see the public’s horror and mocking. I wonder if this will all punch him back to reality (not that he was ever really part of the sane world) and make him see the error of his ways. He certainly looked uncomfie last evening at the awards ceremony. As an aside, what religion on Earth salutes their God?! This really isn’t a religion as much as it is a militia. Truly, it’s the weirdest thing I have ever seen. The guy doesn’t have a free-thinking cell in his brain.

• Carla
  Jan 28, 2008 at 11:01 am

  I believe that Katie will get tired of not being in the favorable limelight that she thought she would be, and when she thinks she has enough of his money promised to her, then they will split. I hope she leaves him before she has an emotional breakdown, if she hasn’t had one already. That’s probably the only time he will keep the child; if something happens to her. She keeps saying that she’s married to the most powerful and the most popular man in the world. WHat she found out was that she married a lemon, and he’s the most unpopular man on the planet. She will take her child with her, and she will go and pursue some other greedy man who likes fame and fortune, at the expense of someone else.

• Battlemama
  Jan 28, 2008 at 4:57 pm

  I think KH is involved up to her eyeballs with Scientology and she thinks Cruise is so cute. I can picture her thinking that Cruise is great in those Scientology videos. I am sure she saw them. The only rumors that upset her are the ones about Suri’s paternity.

  Leora asked why there was no joke from Cruise that night at the SAG. Well here is my response: Cruise and Holmes are the joke.

  Holmes will leave when her fashion line bombs. She only has that left because her acting career is over. The problem with her ‘fashion is she is a bomb as a model. More people are now saying she dresses badly and has no fashion sense.

  Seriously, she will get the maximum amount of Cruise and then move on, if Cruise doesn’t ditch her first. She has brought him bad luck. Suri, though, will stay whether or not the prenup says anything to the contrary. Cruise’s ego would not let her take Suri.

  Rumor mills say Angie is preggo…with twins. I won’t believe until I see her fat with a baby.

• Carla
  Jan 28, 2008 at 5:50 pm

  Angelina is a very beautiful young woman, and if she is pregnant, and with twins, I wish her the best. Have you noticed the number of celebrities who are having twins? There’s Jenlo, Julia Roberts, to name a few.

  Mama - I agree with everything you said about Katie, except the fact that you think she will have to leave the kid. I really believe that TC had to sign a contract stating that she takes the kid with her. Oh, he will come up with an excuse like Suri has a strong bond with her mother, or something.

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 28, 2008 at 5:56 pm

  mama, I wish we could bet on this….with actual money!!!! There is NO WAY on gods plaid earth tc will get any kind of custody. That baby isn’t his biologically, and since katies own dad is said to have drawn up the pre-nup, I’m 100% positive he made d a m n sure his daughter and grandchild were well protected from that nutsack

• Battlemama
  Jan 28, 2008 at 8:07 pm

  Couple thoughts on Suri not leaving with Katie:

  1) I am willing to bet KH put Cruise on the birth certificate as Dad, which means legally he is dad. She can only change that through a paternity test, which will damage Suri, make KH a liar, and Katie can loose her millions for perpetrating a fraud (i.e. passing off the kid as Cruise’s without his knowledge. He can lie too and he has the legal team to bankrupt her and her family.).

  2) Kh did agree to raise her Scientologist. She doesn’t do that then she has failed in her contractual agreements.

  3) We don’t know what Cruise and Scientology has on Katie. That is how he got the other two from Nicole.
  Also, Katie has already shown that she can be bought with money and will sell her kid for her own gain. Nicole–did the same thing!

  4) At some age (I think it is 10 or 12), Suri will be able to say who she wants to live with: Mom or Dad.

  5) Honestly, and you all have said the same thing, will Cruise’s ego let Katie take Suri? What about the Scientology hierarchy?

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 8:18 pm

  And I am SURE you have all seen Suri Cruise’ brith certificate. Here it is on TMZ’s website:

  http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/10/exclusive-suri-cruise-birth-certificate/

  and so Cruise was ready to go along with the game of being Suri’s father. At this point, as Battemama said it would be cruel to change the rules in the middle of the game. However, look at the repercussions: raise her as a Scientologist,
  block out the name of God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, and replace it with XENU? God help that little girl. We take so many things for granted especially God, good health, your job, family, good friends, etc. and some people are born into wacked out parents who they are depending on to give them guidance, love, put them on a good path. Poor Suri.

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 8:27 pm

  Is this picture the ONLY one taken of Tom Cruise at the SAG awards??? There are NO PICTURES anywhere of him and Katie at the SAG awards or on the red carpet on any of the other celebrity websites. This CONFIRMS when they want to be seen, they will be out in full force, pull all the bells, whistles, and poor Suri to endure the flashes the pimping of their image.

  There doesn’t seem to be any pictures of them yesterday. They don’t want to be seen or any one to ask them questions.

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 9:53 pm

  I believe if and when Katie walks, Suri is NOT going with her. However, that will be heartbreaking for her and her grandparents. Cruise’ mother and sisters will continue to march to his drum, they are too dependent on him to have a real opinion.

  Image is everything to Cruise and his Scientologists cult and so they are probably trying to see HOW they going to get out of this. I say it will not be the same again. Just like Michael Jackson has not recovered and returned to his Billie Jean, Beat It, winning 7 Grammys in one night glory days. Cruise will also not recover. I just don’t see it because mainstream America is NOT interested in Scientology. Travolta has not been seen in the same kind of videos like Cruise and although every one knows he’s a Scientologist he is not as VISIBLE and outspoken like Cruise. And the YOuTube video allows you to see and send the link to your family and friends.

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 10:11 pm

  http://www.splashnewsonline.com/?s=Suri+

  I just don’t see Cruise giving up Suri (the sacrificial lamb). This little girl belongs to the Church of Scientology and it will be very hard to get her out. Cruise and the COS know that at this point, the public likes Suri and that means she is valuable. Cruise knows if Katie takes Suri with her there is a chance she will be raised as a Catholic. I think that is WHY you never see Katie alone with Suri. Even when they are shopping, Katie is NOT alone with Suri there is a bodyguard and a driver with them. I am betting this happens to secure she is not secretly trying to teach her something or teach her their own code language.

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 10:12 pm

  and by code language I mean things about God or Catholism.

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 11:09 pm

  Hollywood is a tough town. You are loved when you are on top but when you begin to get too controversial, involved in drugs, emotional problems, get old and fat you are on your own.

  I am hearing all these tributes to Heath Ledger but if he was really admired by all these people WHY didn’t someone help him? I mean everyone knows he had a drug problem.

  Hollywood is so hypocritical. The “in thing” right now is to say good things about Heath but really before he died he was not that photographed. He will always be known as that cowboy in Brokeback Mountain.

• ng
  Jan 28, 2008 at 11:11 pm

  And the COS is definitely brainstorming on how to get out of this mess. These people are manipulative and coniving and use people for their own agenda.

• toledo fan
  Jan 29, 2008 at 12:35 am

  TC definitely looks tense- clenched jaw, barely one smile in pics (on post after this.) not a happy camper??? HA! serves him right.
  In the absence of news- here is something to read- more dumb stuff from the dumb a s s.
  http://www.legendsofamerica.com/GH-CelebrityStupid7.html
  I also read that the WHOLE “family” went BOWLING. that must have been a sight to see- “the biggest movie star in the world” in a bowling alley! goes to prove- when he wants to be seen- he alerts the media, when not- not a photog in sight (like when KH supposedly went to the hospital to have Suri- right! not seen coming or going!!!) Who thinks like I do that she may have had Suri at home???
  http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=9eb1f393-0e99-41bc-8f2b-b1ebdf6cbac9&sid=fd-hum
  KINGPIN my a s s!!! not any more!!!!!

• toledo fan
  Jan 29, 2008 at 12:42 am

  ok-I’ll try this one more time without the web post- I’ll just cut and paste-
  this moderation cr** drives me nuts! Lets try this again;
  TC definitely looks tense- clenched jaw, barely one smile in pics (on post after this.) not a happy camper??? HA! serves him right.
  In the absence of news- here is something to read- more dumb stuff from the dumb arse.
  (I’ll paste the article)
  I also read that the WHOLE “family” went BOWLING. that must have been a sight to see- “the biggest movie star in the world” in a bowling alley! goes to prove- when he wants to be seen- he alerts the media, when not- not a photog in sight (like when KH supposedly went to the hospital to have Suri- right! not seen coming or going!!!) Who thinks like I do that she may have had Suri at home???
  http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=9eb1f393-0e99-41bc-8f2b-b1ebdf6cbac9&sid=fd-hum
  KINGPIN my arse!!! not any more!!!!!

• toledo fan
  Jan 29, 2008 at 12:49 am

  Stupid Things Famous People Say;
  Tom Cruise, Actor *
  “There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.” - Tom Cruise *
  “Some people, well, if they don’t like Scientology, well, then, f** you. Really. F** you. Period.” - Tom Cruise
  * “I will never be done with love. Never, never. I love relationships and I love women. I’m going to get married again. I’ll never give up on that.”
  * “You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do.” Tom Cruise to Matt Lauer, NBC’s Today Show host. He was supposed to be promoting his movie War of the Worlds.
  * “What Scientology is, is it addresses man as a spiritual being. Okay? And it gives people tools that they apply to their lives to improve conditions. And that is what it is.” *
  “Talk is over-rated as a means of settling disputes” - Tom Cruise, actor, famous for filing lawsuits *
  “I’ve never agreed with psychiatry, ever.” *
  “Matt. Matt. Matt, you’re glib.” Tom Cruise to Matt Lauer, NBC’s Today Show host. *
  “Never be surprised about how stupid people can be.” *
  “I’m usually nervous to meet people that I admire because what if they’re not cool or something?” *
  “I can be a quite excitable person.”
  “It’s just like, “Huh? Wow, man. Wow.” *
  “When you talk about emotional, chemical imbalances in people, there is no science behind that.” *
  “People go for help, but their lives don’t get better because of those [psychiatric] drugs. They get worse. They feel numb and they’re told that’s a good thing. It’s how you degrade a society — by drugging the piss out of it.” *
  “[Women] smell good. They look pretty. I love women. I do.” *
  “Nobody has ever asked me that before.” - To Peter Overton when he asked why he had to sit through a two hour Scientology seminar to get the interview and Tom. *
  You’re stepping over a line, you know you are. I’m just telling you right now — put your manners back in.” - To interviewer Peter Overton when he brings up ex-wife Nichole Kidman.

  What Others Have to Say About Tom Cruise:

  “Since when would a celebrity have expertise in medicine? Would you go to your doctor and ask him about movie roles?” - Peg Nichols, a spokeswoman for the Landover-based Children and Adults With Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder

  “So this must be a very exciting time for you. You’re in love with Tom Cruise, and Tom, as far as we can tell, has gone nuts.” - David Letterman to Katie Holmes on the Late Show

  “If vitamins and exercise alone explain why Tom Cruise is so, um, knowledgeable and well-grounded, pass the Prozac.” - Chicago Tribune

  “Fame is like death: We will never know what it looks like until we’ve reached the other side. Then it will be impossible to describe and no one will believe you if you try. For now, all the conjecture is on our side of the media fence. And lately it has put Tom Cruise one spoke behind Michael Jackson on the freak wheel.” - Sloane Crosley, Village Voice

  Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah’s couch”After watching Tom on O (Oprah) and then everywhere else in the free world, I think I may need to up my meds.” - Rose O’Donnell, comedian, talk show host

  “Tom Cruise knows as much about postpartum depression as I do about acting.” - Richard Codey, New Jersey Governor

  “Okay, should we address him as Dr. Tom Cruise from now on? Or will the Rev. Dr. Cruise suffice?” - Richard Leiby, Washington Post Staff Writer

  “When you talk about a great actor, you’re not talking about Tom Cruise. His whole behavior is so shocking. It’s inappropriate and vulgar and absolutely unacceptable to use your private life to sell anything commercially, but I think it’s kind of a sickness.” - Actress and Hollywood legend.

• catinthehat
  Jan 29, 2008 at 4:45 am

  COS is now asserting that the TC video actually helped their cause . . . huh??http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexd?blogid=7

• ng
  Jan 29, 2008 at 8:15 am

  We have all witness the beginning of the end of Tom Cruise as we have all known him. And Katie’s acting skills are not special enough to make her into a great actress. They are definitely in an awkward situation. Good luck to Suri Cruise.

• Battlemama
  Jan 29, 2008 at 9:48 am

  Have a good laugh at Cruise’s expense. Sad for Ledger’s fam, though.

  “An impostor pretending to be Heath Ledger’s father fooled Tom Cruise into consoling him over the phone — and nearly got John Travolta to buy him a plane ticket to the United States, sources told the New York Post.

  The con artist also tricked the Frank E. Campbell Funeral Home in Manhattan, where Ledger’s body was held before being flown to Los Angeles, into booking him and his “family” rooms at the Carlyle hotel nearby on Madison Avenue, sources told the Post.

  The man falsely claiming to be Kim Ledger also spoke on the phone with the doctor who performed the autopsy on the “Brokeback Mountain” star, a spokeswoman for the Medical Examiner’s Office confirmed for the Post.

  Cops want to arrest the scammer on fraud and larceny charges, and sent detectives to Ledger’s wake at the funeral home Friday in hopes of catching him, New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told the Post.

  But police do not know the identity of the impostor, who “had a couple of conversations with” Tom Cruise asking for emotional support, a source told the Post. Cruise abruptly cut him off when he learned “he was an impostor,” the source said.

  Ledger, 28, was found dead last Tuesday. A cause of death has not yet been determined.”

• m21
  Jan 29, 2008 at 12:20 pm

  I think Tom looks great in this picture. His hair is definitely looking better (I really hope he gets rid of the bangs look)

  I think a lot of people here find joy at the expense of others and it is very sad. Also, why are we reading so much into his presenting of the award. Does he have to be ecstatic all the time? And it is probably a good thing that he didn’t go to pre-show or stick around for the after party because pretty much everyone here would nit pick and try to find something to complain about!

  I think Tom looks great and I am excited to see/hear about his future projects!

• Jessy
  Jan 29, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  Sorry Angelina got no oscar nomination and poor her she seems to have no award coming her way. Moreover hollywood has snubbed her. And Brad Pitt’s Assasisnation of Jesse James has performed worse than Mad Money at the box office and yet it has a bigger budget. Poor you. But I am here to say I love Tom’s short hair.

  I said it, that those videos would only make more scientologists. All religions need is publicity.

  And Tom, Cruise is forever, you will never beat him. He is still the world’s biggest star. Camp here all you want. I will be back tyo remind you that he is still rich, famous and happy and you are still poor bitter and deluded.

• Carla
  Jan 29, 2008 at 3:40 pm

  Jessy:
  TC is not forever. He was way out of the limelight, before he hooked up with his knocked-up hooker. He used her to get into the public scene, again. Wow, gay man lands young nympho and gets her pregnant! Of course he’s rich. But who cares. He believes in space ships and aliens of the ET kind. By the way, do you? ANd, when are you going to visit the mother ship? I hope soon.

• ng
  Jan 29, 2008 at 3:50 pm

  Carla: Good one!

• lemon227
  Jan 29, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  I agree Carla!! Looks like Jessy, probably a Scientologist plant, is camping out in our territory!!

• Vianne
  Jan 29, 2008 at 7:47 pm

  Carla, ng, and lemon, I agree!
  Yes, Jessy, Angelina received no award this time, but she has far more substance in soul than Katie will ever have, and since Tom is so into his delusions, maybe xenu will salvage his poor soul. I do agree that Tom’s hair looked better, but he seemed very bitter at the SAG Awards.
  If Scientology is such a great “religion,” why is it so secretive and why does it cost money to even read a book on the subject? I can get a bible free, even in a hotel. After watching videos of Scientologist “enforcers” INTIMIDATE people and NEVER answer the question asked, the conclusion I come to is that only a weak-minded person would join this cult.

• Battlemama
  Jan 29, 2008 at 8:08 pm

  Jessy: Your name isn’t Kate Cruise, is it?

  1) The pic you put up to show Katie’s love to Tom was from when they were first dating. Brad and Angie still have the heat on the red carpet now. Katie is looking like an old woman–even the fashion people are saying that now!!

  2) $15 million is still a bomb!!! I wouldn’t hirer someone who brought in only $15 million. As I said before, Nicole brought in $30 million OPENING weekend and it was called a bomb.

  3) I wouldn’t call hits on Scientology’s web page converts or bringing in converts. People were either trying to find out if this idiot was for real or were just trying to translate what the heck he was spewing!! I know the average layman, including myself, had no clue what he was saying.

  4) Your fighting a loosing battle here, but good luck any way. Most of us can show recent info to back up our claims. You have to go back to 2005 for yours.

• Battlemama
  Jan 29, 2008 at 8:14 pm

  Jessy: At least Angie is getting nominations. She also is doing something positive with her fame and wealth instead of being a glutton like Holmes and Cruise. Have yet to see either do legitimate charity work? Like getting their hands dirty to help the common folk, like Brad and Angie have done!!
  When was Cruise’s last award (i.e. Academy Award, Oscar, Emmy, not the silly ones he bought this past Fall) and award nomination that he didn’t buy? Has Katie even had one?

• LoneStar
  Jan 29, 2008 at 9:26 pm

  Battlemama: Speaking of gluttony:

  Here’s a new one posted:

  Tom Cruise is the first on the list to get Ducati’s newest motorcycle — a $72,500 superbike bristling with titanium, magnesium and carbon fiber technology that can scoot up to 200 mph.

  Cruise is scheduled to take delivery of the Desmosedici RR at Beverly Hills Ducati this week. Only 1,500 of the red-and-white Moto GP racing replica motorcycles will be made and Cruise gets the first.

  http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/movies/14801906.html

  Ah, when the going gets tough, the tough get a new motorcycle…lol

• LoneStar
  Jan 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm

  Maybe he’ll get on it and go meet the mother ship. Had to say it. heehee

• Carla
  Jan 29, 2008 at 10:44 pm

  Shame that he has to spend tons of money to feel power between his legs.

• toledo fan
  Jan 29, 2008 at 11:39 pm

  Do we have dumbgurl lurking w/another ID- couldn’t be 2 here spewing crap could there?

• catinthehat
  Jan 30, 2008 at 5:49 am

  Why does the birth certificate list KH’s first name as Kate? I thought her real name was Katherine. Odd.

• Carla
  Jan 30, 2008 at 7:14 am

  Going by the adage, “if it walks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it’s a duck,” then I am to assume that the birth certificate is bogus. No one saw Katie ever on the hospital floor. The birth certificate was made many days after the alledged birth, and a nurse who did not witness the birth, signes the certificate. So, I believe that either Katie had Suri at home, or in a Carribean hospital, which proves that the birth date is also bogus.

• ng
  Jan 30, 2008 at 8:43 am

  Carla: I agree with you. When Cruise and Katie want to be seen (only to act like, look at all the press after us), they are SEEN. They are pros in letting the press know where and when they can be seen. The clear example is the Mad Money promotional tour in New York. Every time they left the Caryle hotel they were seen, flashes so bright in Suri’s face the press even said “Suri quints for the press.” When the movie BOMBED, they somehow managed to leave the Carlye hotel without one photo taken of them. As a matter of fact, they managed to return to Los Angeles without anyone seeing them go to an airport.

  And so this birth date, certificate, the who’s the father, etc. is also a scam. A scam they (TOMKAT) wanted to sell to the public because they believe that people buy into the fairytale thing, that they (Cruise) would become popular again by packaging him as doting father to his baby girl Suri and virgin bride. People are not buying into this “perfect family.”

• Battlemama
  Jan 30, 2008 at 9:00 am

  From CBS News:

  “Tom Cruise is the first on the list to get Ducati’s newest motorcycle a $72,500 superbike bristling with titanium, magnesium and carbon fiber technology that can scoot up to 200 mph.

  Cruise is scheduled to take delivery of the Desmosedici RR at Beverly Hills Ducati this week. Only 1,500 of the red-and-white Moto GP racing replica motorcycles will be made and Cruise gets the first.

  Michael Lock, chief of Cupertino-based Ducati North America, said the Desmosedici RR “is the impossible dream - made possible.”

  “We are delighted to be able to deliver the world’s first production unit here in the USA to Tom Cruise, who is a well-known Ducati enthusiast,” Lock said in a statement.

• Battlemama
  Jan 30, 2008 at 9:01 am

  Suri could have been born in Clearwater, FL. Doesn’t Scientology have a hospital there or some kind of resort?

• lemon227
  Jan 30, 2008 at 10:02 am

  Battlemama, I agree with what you said concerning movies and nominations. Jessy contends that Angie was snubbed, but this “person” obviously doesn’t know what an honor and boost to a career to just get a nomination because it means that others “respect” your work and you’re good at your craft. Everyone knows that with these things only one person can bring it home. All those who were in the running, however, are recognized for critically acclaimed movies. As for bombs, yeah, Tommy boy has had hits, but he has also had misses like any other actress or actor in hollywood.

• lemon227
  Jan 30, 2008 at 10:05 am

  Oh, by the way, other actresses such as Kiera Knightley and a few others were so-called “snubbed.” I just get angry at people who pick and choose what and who to bring up. Be fair and consistent.

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 30, 2008 at 11:13 am

  lemon, welcome back. What will be 100 percent consistent is this….on EVERY SINGLE tomkat thread on EVERY single website the trolling $cienos will ALWAYS bring up the Jolie-Pitts….it’s quite an interesting phenomenon.
  Heres why……they are the biggest A-List superstar couple, a position held long ago by cruise/kidman
  LISTEN UP, it’s OVER, get a grip. Brad and Angie are loved the world over…they’re gorgeous, talented, humanitarians, have ACTUAL friends that will never have the need to publicly speak in their defense, and they are ACTUALLY in love with eachother, not a business deal relationship and they have a REAL family…and more on the way!!!!!
  Face it….it’s an absolute embarrassment to be a tomkat fan anymore

• Lilianne
  Jan 30, 2008 at 12:17 pm

  Yeah, yeah, yeah it’s great that AJ and BP are “humanitarians” and all that warm fuzzy stuff…BUT I am afraid that I don’t really admire them any more than I do TC and KH. I think if you have to toot your own horn about your “good works” then you are doing it for the wrong reasons….which would be to impress others, to feel good about yourself, to gain recognition or acknowledgement, or to garner press. I admire those who do good works but want or need no recognition for it…those who are behind the scenes doing good things and improving the world….because those people are doing it to help others..not to puff themselves up to feel good.

• Battlemama
  Jan 30, 2008 at 2:22 pm

  Well said, Lilianne!! I am not much of a fan either, but at least they are attempting to do some good and not shopping all the time.

  I remember someone saying the Paul Newman should have gotten the “Humanitarian of the Year” and not Jolie because he did more and didn’t advertise it the way Jolie did.

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 30, 2008 at 3:42 pm

  Heres the thing…..his face is plastered all over every single thing he sells.
  I’m embroiled in a fight over at dlisted re: AJ right now.
  The way people hate on her is disgusting. Can you imagine if her idea of charity was putting her face on salad dressing and selling it instead of going to third world countries on missions

• candice
  Jan 31, 2008 at 5:46 am

  I have to disagree with lillianne and battlemamma. If advertising what you do for charity gets more help for that charity i know what i would do. The fact that Angie goes into these countries with limited security and bodyguards and slums it with the poor people really shows character. She listens to their stories and feels their pain. Now if taking the press along would bring more help to their causes why the h e l l wouldnt you advertise it. Thats what Diana was an expert at and Angie does it to. The press annoy them constantly and use them and their personal lives to make money why shouldnt they use the press to gain a little something for those who could use it. I think the jolie pitts do more than attempt to do good. With a busy lifestyle and being great parents they take time out to help those in need. I am a fan of both of them and proud of it. TOOT YOUR HORN BRAD AND ANGIE!!! There is no way in hell holmes or cruise would slum it in africa or iraq. They might get their hands dirty and giving away to much money to charities might send the COS broke…………Although they do need some serious damage control done to their images so who knows???

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 9:29 am

  It is fine that you disagree with my opinions, Candice. That is what is great about this site and others like it…we can all express our differing views. I can understand your point about different causes getting more attention if the press gets involved and that can sometimes do a lot to help that cause. However, I sometimes question the motives of the famous when it comes to “giving back”. Yes, it is good that they are helping people and that cannot be taken away from them…but I personally admire those who do things in a quiet fashion without wanting or needing the attention that doing good works can bring them. It also bugs me when celebrities get recognized for being good parents. So what??!! That is their job…their requirement for having those children. When celebs like the Jolie Pitts or Jennifer Garner get noticed for doing “normal” things with their children it just makes me want to roll my eyes. Cause who cares? They get credit for doing that? We are supposed to love our children, and teach them right from wrong and spend time with them and show them the world and give them new experiences.

  As for the giving back part of things….I admire people like Andre Agassi and LaDainian Thomas who do a lot to help children in THEIR country and they seem to be able to manage all that without needing pats on the back and special recognition. In fact, I get the impression that the attention makes them uncomfortable because they are humble enough to acknowledge that they are so fortunate that it is really their duty and responsibility to give something back. And they get more of my respect because they are helping people in the U. S.

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 9:30 am

  And yes, I do know that BP is doing a lot to help the victims of the hurricane in the southern states to rebuild and make better lives and I wanted to add that before someone can remind me of that. Yes, that is great. However, there is so much more that could be done and I think that charity begins at home.

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 10:24 am

  Well said, Lilianne!!

  About Angie’s altruism: The UN approached her about being an ambassador. Diana went out and did it. Also, Angie was still into cutting and all that other stuff when she became involved with the UN. She changed her image to fit the UN and what the world would see of her when she became the Goodwill Ambassador.

  Underneath the outward change, though, I don’t think she has changed much. She is still very in your face with her inappropriate comments in the media. I mean, would you want someone to represent you globally who brags about getting preggo while the other partner is still married and is now saying she LOVES doing s e x scenes with men in movies, especially with Brad’s best friend Matt Damon. Most of the world she out there helping still believes in morality. This woman’s purpose in life is to overthrow that.

  The problem I have with her work is that she is doing it for PR and that is why the UN is hiring people like her and David Beckam.
  This also goes back to Lilianne’s argument that celebs should not be idolized for being ‘great parents’. The same with charity work. Just because Jolie does it and toots her horn in the process, doesn’t mean she is better than the average person who is doing it and sacrificing a greater percentage of their time and effort without an army of nannies to care for the kids. I was told once that the charity work we do is not much of a sacrifice if doesn’t put you out to a certain extent.

  In terms of Pitt’s work: He is a Global Warming guru too. He had his gas guzzling, polluting motorcycle flown to Prague from LA so he could ride it. Wonder how much carbon emissions went into the air for his private jet to ship his special motorcycle in. In other words, people like Jolie and Pitt don’t often walk the talk they are giving to us.

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 10:25 am

  My question for Jolie: What about the kids languishing in our foster care system? Are they not as important because they are Americans?

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 10:54 am

  I agree with you, Mama. I wonder if AJ became involved in charities to change her image? I cannot say for sure but I suppose it is certainly possible. Of course, she might very well have gotten involved in the first place simply because she felt the need to do something. But I agree with you about her seeming lack of morals…or maybe it could be described as twisting morality to suit oneself. When she was with Billy Bob, we saw images of her wearing his blood around her neck and french kissing her own brother and pretty much being kind of wild. And then getting involved with a married man. I remember reading an article a few months ago where a source claimed that Julia Roberts had no respect for AJ over that situation. It said that her husband, Danny Moder, was a cameraman on the Mr. and Mrs. Smith movie and it became widely known on the set that AJ wanted BP and had decided to have him and she was given the nickname of the Black Widow. Now, of course sources arent always reliable but some people here seem to believe most of what they read so why not this too?

  Also, I agree with you 100% about kids in our foster care system needing homes too. The statistics are staggering and a lot of these kids languish in foster care if they are not babies or very young. Maybe they don’t deserve good homes and food to eat because they werent born in a remote village in a wartorn country?

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 10:59 am

  http://www.popcrunch.com/julia-roberts-angelina-jolie-diss-julia-roberts-blasts-angelina-jolie-acting/

  I found a link for that story I mentioned. The name is Spider-Woman..not Black Widow.

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 11:01 am

  http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=19&num=17365

  Here is another version of the same story.

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 11:25 am

  I have to strongly disagree with the comments made her against AJ.
  First and foremost, and this is a subject that will ALWAYS get my blood boiling.
  Do any of you KNOW the JOB of a celebrity UN Ambassador? If not, I suggest you go to their home page and educate yourselves.
  It is one of the aspects of THEIR JOB to bring as much awareness through the media as possible to causes.
  They would NOT BE DOING THEIR JOB as a UN GA if they didn’t use the media, etc.
  Mama, please tell me where you get your information that she was still a “cutter” when she was approached by the UN. Because that statement and the one that she did it for any other reason than the one I know of, I find very offensive

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 11:32 am

  Libra, what do you mean about “this subject”? Do all comments made against AJ upset you or just ones regarding her charity work?

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 11:41 am

  I have a HUGE problem with people who bash her in any way about her charity work

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 11:45 am

  the comments about her adopting children for certain reasons, and even her getting pregnant for reasons other than……..NORMAL reasons that women have are just completely INSANE to me and I ignore those people. As far as her relationship with BP, it seems real simple to me. I laugh at the people who call her a w h o r e and a home wrecker, it’s silly.
  As far as her as an actress……..don’t really know, I have seen maybe two of her movies, one was Gia, and I own it, it was good.

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 11:52 am

  Well, I wonder if maybe you are taking things too seriously? This is only a gossip site..you’ve said the same thing yourself a few times. I know this because you have pretty much said that same thing to me before. Why do you care if people don’t admire AJ? Not everyone does and I seriously doubt whether even she herself expects people to.

  I find it interesting when people get upset at some for doing things that other people do. Libra, you have criticized TC and KH for doing certain things and behaving in certain ways that you feel are bad or whatever but is it ok if celebrities you admire do the same things? You are oviously free to feel however you feel but then so am I. I personally feel it is very important to hold all people to the same standards…regardless of their celebrity, income, educational level, or achievements.

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 12:49 pm

  I also think it is really crappy that AJ gets pregnant and her reasons have to be nothing more than normal reasons women get pregnant. As well, her baby is born out of wedlock and that is ok. But KH must have some sick, weird reason for getting pregnant and her baby is called nasty names for being born out of wedlock. I just think that double standards suck. Just my opinion.

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 1:00 pm

  heres the thing lili, AJ didn’t go around to campuses preaching the importance of remaining a virgin til marriage.
  AJ also was not engaged for a year and a half before her kid was born, and the reason given for this catholic girl having a b a s t a r d child as her first….she didn’t want to be fat at her wedding
  AJ & BP have stated when everyone can marry, they will marry….it’s a cause that is important to Charlize also
  There also doesn’t seem to be any kind of public record of the marriage of tomkat, so who knows

  Really there is no double standard here, the situations are completely different

• Vianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 1:18 pm

  I have nothing but respect toward Angelina Jolie and her charity work. This will be her 8th year going on UN missions. In the beginning she paid for all the costs covering her trips and she lived with the field workers in the countries she visited. It would be interesting to find out if this is still the case. She goes to UN meetings, to Capital Hill to speak out about the poverty. (Why didn’t Oprah put her millions in the US instead of Africa? Because she said when she asked American kids what would make their lives better, they replied in material things unlilke the Africans who wanted things like an education.)Also, her honesty is rare among actors/celebrities. She didn’t deny or put spin on her cutting when she was a teenager, she told the truth. Her baby bump with Shiloh was consistent! Shiloh wasn’t secreted away like Suri was which led to all the questions about when she was really born. It was obvious Brad was the father. The birth certificate was signed by said parents. In every picture of her with Brad the intimacy between them is apparent. Not so with Tom and Katie. There is no naturalness, no chemistry. Suri is their big draw.

• Lilianne
  Jan 31, 2008 at 1:18 pm

  Libra, I would love to stick around and debate this issue with you but I have an appointment to get to so this has to be my last post. Just because you say the situations are different doesnt mean that to me they ARE different. I also think that everyone should be allowed to marry. But if I was a in a relationship with someone I shared children with I would marry him so that I could prevent my children from suffering. Because let’s face it…kids are mean and will look for any reason to pick on other kids and make fun of them. What better reason to pick on someone than that their parents never married. That sort of thing can be devastating for children. So maybe since the JP’s obviously care about their children so much they should consider that?

  The fact is that both couples had a child out of wedlock…I don’t think one should be admired and one ridiculed just because a person likes one couple’s for not marrying better than the others.

  On that note, I am out of here. Thanks, Libra, for the conversation. I appreciate your thoughts even if I don’t always agree with them. Take care.

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 1:48 pm

  I don’t remember where I read it, but Angie herself said she was still doing that stuff when the UN approached her. She also said she had to change her image in order to do it. I guess she has a conscious about somethings.

  Libra, I do think what she does is great, but at the same time I agree with Lilianne that what Angie does is not better than what the average person does. I don’t have AJ resources or free time, but what I do should be just as good Angie’s work. That is the problem I have with ‘Miss Humanitarian of the Year.’

  Also, her and Pitt do live a double standard. They tell us what to do and then do something completely diffrerent in their lives. Honestly, you want to really help children: Promote heterose xu a l marriage. That has been proven to be the best overall situation for children.

  Does she honestly believe yanking her kids all over the world is good for her children? Four schools in one year like Maddox had? I think we all answered that question when debating Suri’s life. It is not good for children to be uprooted every two months.

  Also, AJ is just the front for the real work that is going on; she is not the real work. It is insulting to those who are doing it everyday for years to say AJ should be ‘humanitarian of the world.’ If she were to quit acting, live in a ghetto somewhere, and slum it with the natives for a year. Yes, I would say that! I won’t worship her her skinny bottom just because she is pretty and has pic taken everywhere. Showing up and slumming it for two days is not that difficult. I am sure KH could handle that.

  I do have serious problems with her lack of morality. In my opinion, she has several failed marriages under her belt, I believe three before age 30, so I bet she won’t marry Pitt and add number whatever to her belt. I also don’t think she and Pitt will last. She is smart to not marry, because now all she has to do is kick him out and sue for an insane amount of child support. (And it will be her because Pitt stands to loose too much.) I mean, if you really love someone, you don’t go around telling the world how you love doing s e x scenes with other men, including your love’s bff.

  Compared to Cruise and Holmes: Yes, she is very giving. But, to the rest of us who are doing what we can, she is lacking!!!!

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 3:40 pm

  You’re mis-informed mama. SHe said she was a cutter in her late teens early 20’s.
  And I find it REALLY hard to believe that anyone (but they do, you’re not the only one) would actually put stipulations on WHEN they would accept her as a true humanitarian. Please don’t tell me you’re amongst this group of really ignorant people who rant and rave about AJ, and have never even read her “resume” of humanitarian work. It’s MASSIVE, not to mention impressive. I don’t quite understand the mentality of comparing and condemning when it comes to her charitable works!!!!
  I don’t get why people can’t say “wow, that’s great!” It’s all about hate hate hate towards her….she must do it for this reason, she wanted to change her image , she’s a media w h o r e, yea she gives back BUT she should be quiet about it, yea she gives back BUT SO DO I, SO DO A LOT OF PEOPLE
  It’s absurd!!!! jesus christ, It’s absolutely beyond me and ABSURD that people open their mouths in a negative way about a HUMANITARIAN!!!!!
  I mean WHAT the h e l l is it about people. DId anyone call Princess Diana a media w h o r e? She didn’t have to WORK while raising a family AND do her humanitarian work and really, a majority of her humanitarian work consisted of dressing up and visiting a hospital. If you compare her resume to AJ’s….it pales

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 4:16 pm

  When the heck did Katie actually answer questions about Morton and the Scientology movies? I think I missed that somewhere. If you have a link let me know!!!

  Here is an article for a good laugh:

  “Hey, remember last week when Tom Cruise showed up in those Scientology videos talking about world domination and other insane lunacy? Yeah, apparently Katie Holmes didn’t think it was hot. MSN says:

  A distraught Katie Holmes has stormed out of a crisis meeting with her husband Tom Cruise, furious over damaging publicity about his Scientology beliefs, and humiliated over the disastrous reaction to the movie he told her to make. The actress is said to be inconsolable after a string of leaked Scientology videos have flooded the Internet and divided Hollywood…Katie had already been forced to fend off questions about Andrew Morton’s controversial book Tom Cruise: An Unauthorized Biography. While at first Katie put on a brave face, declaring that she and Tom weren’t bothered by the book, after this new scandal she can no longer ignore the Hollywood backlash…”

  In case you’re interested, the movie in question is Mad Money, the movie Tom Cruise forced urged Holmes to take instead of reprising her role as Rachel Dawes in The Dark Knight. Mad Money stars Queen Latifah and Ted Danson. The Dark Knight stars Christian Bale and Heath Ledger. Mad Money has made $15 million in ten days. When it’s released, The Dark Knight will make $15 million before your lunch break. From now on, Katie Holmes should take career advice from a monkey playing the cymbals or interpreting the symbols on cereal boxes. It probably wouldn’t be any worse. “

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 4:25 pm

  I think Katie is getting mad because things aren’t going according to her fantasy. The little silly girl is waking up to reality.

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 4:37 pm

  Libra: If she has been doing this work for ten years, like you say, then she was in her early twenties when she started. She is only 33.
  As I said before, she has done a lot of good, but what she has done and ’sacrificed’ pales in comparison to what the people who are there every day are doing and sacrificing. Anyone can show up for a few days and slum it.

  She is a UN rep and most of the world still believes in and lives by a morality that she is quite vocal in trying to destroy. How do you help people and really understand them when you don’t respect and mock their beliefs?

  Also, studies have shown that children do better when the parents are in a MARRIED, COMMITTED relationship, not in shacking up situations, like Pitt and Jolie. We have also discussed on this site that children do better when they can put roots down and are not uprooted and carted all over the globe. Look at Maddox, he has had four different schools, five if you include the tutor at home, in ONE YEAR!! Again, not good for kids. They learn that nothing is permanent.

  Yes, her work is admirable, but her personal life speaks volumes about her lack of caring for others’ beliefs and what is really in the best interest of her children. There is still quite a bit of the “ME” involved in what she does.

  It is one thing to talk the talk and quite another to to walk the talk.

  Also as Lilianne said, you have to judge everyone, including yourself, by the same set of standards. If you are going to call Suri a b a s t a r d, well then so is Shiloh!

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 4:48 pm

  And Vianne: Her honesty has been vicious towards Jen An. I mean first she says she would never go after a married man (lie), then she says did go after Pitt while he was married (To which he added, that he was leaving anyway. Angie gave him another opportunity.), and then she throws out that she got preggo with Shiloh while Brad was still married. You know what, a nice woman would not say OR do that.

  That may be honest, but it is also cruel.

  Would you tell someone they were ugly or fat, even if it was the truth. No, you wouldn’t because that would be mean. We all said Katie was mean when she said the kids call her ‘mom’. Well, Jolie has certainly been mean towards Jen with her “honesty.”

  Also, if you told your husband that you loved filming s e x scenes with other men including his bff, how would he feel? I would be lucky if mine ever spoke to me after that because that comment, however ‘honest’ she was being, is just mean and cruel to the other person in the relationship. It serves no purpose other than for her to have a good laugh with the interviewer and be the ” s e x y” woman she is.

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 5:57 pm

  No where in my post did I say she’d been doing humanitarian work for 10 years…she started in 2001, thats no where near her early 20’s.
  I’m also going to have to disagree with you on your statement that children do best in married environments. Not true. Plenty of gay and lesbian couples raise outstanding children…they’re committed to eachother but they CANT marry.
  As far as the J-P kids, this is a heated debate. I don’t think you can possibly compare this family with other “regular” families that don’t set up “roots”…..who lets say move around a lot because the parents are f u c k ed up, etc. These are priviledged children who have the opportunity to travel and see different cultures. They are also still VERY young. I’d say we’d have something to talk about if they were adolescents and still hadn’t gone to proper schools, lets get real here.

  And WHEN did AJ say she had gone after pitt when he was still married? (link please)
  And why was it a lie when she said she wouldn’t be with a married man because of what her father did???? What MARRIED man has she been with?
  And how do you figure she got pregnant while Brad was still married? Are we ACTUALLY going to split hairs here and say…..WELL he was still legally married. Yea, NO….listen Jen filed for divorce in March of 2005, they announced their seperation in JANUARY 2005….it was a done deal for everyone involved in January

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 5:59 pm

  No where in my post did I say she’d been doing humanitarian work for 10 years…she started in 2001, thats no where near her early 20’s.
  I’m also going to have to disagree with you on your statement that children do best in married environments. Not true. Plenty of gay and lesbian couples raise outstanding children…they’re committed to eachother but they CANT marry.
  As far as the J-P kids, this is a heated debate. I don’t think you can possibly compare this family with other “regular” families that don’t set up “roots”…..who lets say move around a lot because the parents are f ^ c k e d up, etc. These are priviledged children who have the opportunity to travel and see different cultures. They are also still VERY young. I’d say we’d have something to talk about if they were adolescents and still hadn’t gone to proper schools, lets get real here.

  And WHEN did AJ say she had gone after pitt when he was still married? (link please)
  And why was it a lie when she said she wouldn’t be with a married man because of what her father did???? What MARRIED man has she been with?
  And how do you figure she got pregnant while Brad was still married? Are we ACTUALLY going to split hairs here and say…..WELL he was still legally married. Yea, NO….listen Jen filed for divorce in March of 2005, they announced their seperation in JANUARY 2005….it was a done deal for everyone involved in January

• Libraesque2007
  Jan 31, 2008 at 6:02 pm

  and I’m not quite sure why you are taking her interview SOOOOO out of context re: Matt Damon

  “You’re two adults and you enjoy each other and you know that it doesn’t mean anything - whatever it was is left there.”
  “The difference between kissing Matt and kissing Brad is simple. One’s a friend and the other is my lover.”

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 7:17 pm

  What do you think of pouting Katie?

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 7:25 pm

  Libra: I think we have different standards. If you are married, you are married. Angie also has very questionable standards by most normal people’s morality.
  And folks on the movie set of MR AND MRS SMITH said Angie was making a play for married Brad Pitt. She knew what she was doing with a married man!!! Looks like she is taking after dear sweet daddy.

  I just don’t need some Hollywood starlet or her rabid fans to tell me or the people who are there every day working to make the world that thier star is a better humanitarian because they show up for the photo op or have the money to go travel the world. It is great she is doing it, but no more wonderful than anyone else.

  Again, apply the same judgements to JP that you do to TC/KH.

  I will not comment about this again. I taking too much effort right now!! THis is just a mindless activity for me.

• Battlemama
  Jan 31, 2008 at 7:26 pm

  Boy, my grammar and spelling are bad!!

• ng
  Jan 31, 2008 at 9:47 pm

  I agree that Angelina’s PR stock went up when she adopted Maddox and began promoting UNICEF etc. However, she was also a very strange person. I will never forget when Barbara Walters interviewed her on primetime television and she said she used to practice sex using razor blades. Once her partner almost cut her jugular vein. She said this on television, this is NOT a written interview and so I think she was a lost soul who was looking for unconditional love and a purpose in life. I think the fact that she volunteers is great but many others volunteers WITHOUT the press tagging along. I mean its great that she brings publicity to war torn countries and poverty but she is also being put on a pedestal and shouldn’t.

  I think all celebrities should do good because they are living privilieiged lives. They forget how hard the average American works to make a decent living. And there are many that work hard and make very little and have no health insurance.

• candice
  Feb 1, 2008 at 1:57 am

  Talk about make me MAD!!!! I have so much to comment about on the AJ and BP issue but Libra has covered most of it for me. I do however just have to get a couple of things off my chest. Battlemamma and lilianne, No one said Aj does more than anyone else and does it better. She does alot so yes she should be given a pat on the back. She has 4 young kids and while i know they have assistants they also raise their children themselves. On top of that she works and is focused on many different charitable projects. What is it that you do?? I know i dont do anything other than give my kids old clothes and toys to the needy and drop a coin here and there when door knockers come around for cancer etc. Im sure there is more that i could do but i dont. So yes i think she is great. But that doesnt mean that anyone else who is involved in charitable work isnt and i dont think that any one actually said that. She gives a percentage (cant remember how much) of each movie earnings to charity. Do you give up a dollar of yours each week?? She visits the needy and sits and listens which if you ask me is so important to these people. It must make them feel like some one cares, Unlike myself and probably you who watch them on tv and just think poor buggers and keep on going on with our lives. So she helps out children in other countries. Damn she is a bad person. She dosnt deserve respect unless she has pulled every single poor person out of the sh*t and solved all of the problems of the world. Give the woman a break. She does more than most and like anyone who sacrifices time and effort and money they should be given a pat on the back. Im sure she isnt standing out there asking for one so really that whole argument is nothing but stupid.

• candice
  Feb 1, 2008 at 2:04 am

  Also there is nothing wrong with her morals. As libra has already stated do the math. Jen and Brad were over before shiloh was concieved. And just because there was an attraction doesnt mean she is a home wrecker. Brad is a big boy he could of stayed in his marriage. I dont see why the “other” woman is always to blame. And who cares how many times she gets married. If things dont work out should you stay and not be happy?? Damn, life is to short for that. Things dont always turn out the way we want or expect but i hardly think that makes her morals lacking. Her obsession with cutting, blood, s*x etc was a young girl phase. At least she got her act togeather and didnt end up dead in a gutter. If you ask me her putting her “NOT SO PERFECT” life out there shows other young girls (and guys) that no matter what your past is about YOU CAN CHANGE…YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING!!!!!!!!

• candice
  Feb 1, 2008 at 2:13 am

  Battlemamma, While your enjoying some mindless downtime on the net google angies charity work. You will be suprised. I was. If your going to have all these opinions on her you should take as much time out to see what she does do as you do to critisize Tomkat. Its only fair.

• Lilianne
  Feb 1, 2008 at 5:40 am

  I only have this moment to respond to these comments since my upcoming day is full. Candice, I have a couple of things to say to you. First, if the argument is “stupid” then why did you continue it? That just seems contrary to me. And I need to tell you that I find it hilariously funny that you feel the need to ask me and Mama what WE do as far as charities are concerned. I don’t believe either of us ever said that we do more than AJ or any other person for that matter. But since you asked, I personally do what I can. Is it much? NO, but I am not a rich person. I do what my limited income allows. I don’t make millions of dollars on movies and endorsements. I am not going to list my different contributions and things I do to give back, though, because I have already said that I don’t feel it is classy to toot your own horn. ( I can tell you that everything I do is given to benefit my very own community.) I don’t do what I do for recognition or praise. And for the record, I NEVER said that AJ doesn’t do good works. Because she obviously does and whatever her motives it is clear that she is passionate about it. I merely said that I admire other celebrities MORE when they do good works in a quiet fashion because to me personally it carries more weight. I said as well that I admire other celebrites more when they do things to help children in THEIR own country. Yes, there are children in Third World countries who suffer and need help BUT there are many, many in the US who suffer as well. Where is their help? Do you have any idea how many kids in the US are abused and neglected? Who languish in our foster care system with noone to care about them? Do you know how many kids in my own TOWN who go to bed hungry at night and dont have warm coats to wear? So you will excuse me if I have more concern for my own neighbor than I do someone thousands of miles away. And I also said that it bothers me when celebrities get credit for being good parents when they are only doing what they should be doing in the first d a m n place. And I think people idolize AJ and BP BECAUSE they are involved, caring parents. I am sorry, but you don’t deserve special recognition because you are parenting your child properly. It is your JOB.

  Lastly, if it is a spade, let’s call it a spade. If a person is married to another person and they develop a relationship with another person outside of that marriage then it is cheating. I don’t care if the marriage is all but legally over. So even if BP’s marriage to Jennifer was over as far as feelings were concerned…he still cheated on her with AJ since the papers were not final. Even if BP wasnt having sex with AJ (which who could believe he wasnt? Talk about ridiculous!!) he was still cheating because he had established an emotional connection with someone else. Talk about hair splitting.

  Yes, Angelina Jolie is a caring mother and she obviously loves her kids. Yes, Angelina Jolie is in love with her partner and is committed to him and to her family. Yes, Angelina Jolie is a humanitarian who does A LOT to help others. All of that is true, but she does not deserve to be worshipped for any of that. No one does. She is just doing what she is supposed to be doing on this ride we call life.

• Lilianne
  Feb 1, 2008 at 6:52 am

  I attempted to post a LONG comment (probably too long) at 5:40 am that is currently awaiting moderation. I really dont understand why it didnt immediately get posted and it is fairly aggravating since I made some good points in it. At least I think so. :-) Anyway, I don’t have time to wait around to see if it actually gets posted and if it does it will probably be in 2 days when the comments are no longer relevant to the conversation at hand. That is also fairly annoying…when comments take so long to get posted that they don’t fit it anymore to what is happening. Oh well…such is life.

• Battlemama
  Feb 1, 2008 at 11:11 am

  Candice: I guess you suffer from selective reading too.
  I don’t want to continue this debate here. I have said repeatedly that she should be commended for her work, but no more than anyone else.

  I guess I am an annomaly because I do give of my time every day and my kids are with me when I do it. I just can’t go jetting all over the world with cameras to do it and leave my kids with the five nannies I have hired. So I guess Angie somehow is better than me. Thanks for the boost!!

• candice
  Feb 1, 2008 at 6:51 pm

  Mamma, you cant make comments on here and expect people to not respond. If you dont wish to respond back then dont but please have the decency to read them as i have read yours. Also it kinda annoys me how you start a debate and then back out. Dont start them and not then not see them through. After all isnt that how we broaden our minds and opinions?? By listening and thinking about what others have to say instead of stating your own points and not wanting to participate in others responses.
  And im not the only one who suffers from selective reading. seems you do to. The whole point of my first post was to state that while it has been said that she does good NO ONE SAID SHE DOES IT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. Im curious as to what time you give and to which charity. I find it hard enough looking after my kids husband and house. So you must be better than me. Well there is your pat on the back. Do you feel better for it?????
  Funny how ‘unintentionally’ we put out our good deeds for others to notice.

• candice
  Feb 3, 2008 at 10:22 pm

  Lilianne, Im suprised to be still debating this issue with you as when i have read your comments in the past they have always been fair and thoughtful. This time however i think you need to go back and re-read my post that has gotten your feathers in a big fluster. The main reason for my post was to mention that “NO ONE SAID AJ DOES MORE AND DOES IT BETTER”. Any yes i did find your argument to be stupid because instead of nitpicking about her taking along the press and acting as if her contribution is not as important or “carries as much weight” because the press follow her around, she should be thought of like any other person (celebrity or not) who gives as much as they can to others more needy. So she helps out third world countries, does it really matter as long as those in need are getting helped?? While your helping out your starving neighbour would you be able to look a child who eats out of the dump or is starving to death and say “sorry mate my american buddie comes first.” While im fully aware of america having homless im also aware that there are homless shelters, food drives on thankgiving etc and if your country is like australia we have an organisation called salvation army who is dedicated to helping the poor. What is it that these third world countries have other than help from other more fortunate countries. There is no help from a goverment. I realise this issue is not going to get through to you but really have a think about your homeless and your orphans and then have a LOOK at theirs and tell me if you see a difference. One is not more important than the other. What is important is there are people out there who are trying to help but one person can only do so much. Whats more, take some time to research angies UN page and see exactly what she does and doesnt do. The woman has pulled apart a live landmine which is something i would never have the guts to do. As for the GREAT PARENTING sorry but i reserve that compliment for any GREAT parent, celebrity or not. So roll your eyes all you want but calling some one a great parent doesnt mean they are on a pedastal just because they also happen to be a celebrity. Well thats how it is seen from my eyes anyway. And with brads so called cheating. Condemn him for it not her. It s h i t s me to tears when the other woman recieves the majority of the blame. He was the one who was supposed to be commited and should of waited for the final papers not her. (Having been cheated on myself it took me along time to not blame the girl but to put it where it belonged ON THE WEAK MAN) that being said i still dont believe anything was going on until after his divorce. Sure there must of been an attraction but however it went down is their business not ours. Judgement shouldnt be made on assumptions. Just to sum up: ANYONE who does the things Angie does, wether it is broadcast around the world or not deserves recognition which was my whole point to begin with.

• Lilianne
  Feb 4, 2008 at 5:35 am

  Candice, I am sorry that you are surprised to still be debating this issue with me. But I am not going to fall in line and agree with someone if I don’t. I want to say first that my feathers aren’t in any kind of ruffle over this. I am fully capable of having someone disagree with me without being bothered by it or trying to bend them around to agree with me. I do find it silly though, that you would call my argument “stupid”. Comments like that are not conducive to intelligent debate or conversation and quite frankly it makes me not want to continue this very much.

  You’ve said here that people aren’t reading your posts carefully and I think maybe you should take a longer look at what you are reading, too. Because we are in agreement that AJ is doing good things. I have said that about 3-4 times already and I think that is enough. We are in agreement that AJ is a good parent, a caring partner and probably a good friend, etc. I will state again that I simply admire others MORE when they: 1. help people in their own country and 2. when they do their good works quietly and in an unassuming manner. So please read those comments carefully and let us not misunderstand each other.

  As for the parenting issue, you are free to admire anyone’s parenting that you wish, obviously. I will state one more time that the thing that bothers me is when people get special credit for only doing that they are supposed to be doing. I said before that I feel that AJ specifically is idealized and somewhat worshipped for being such a good parent and humanitarian. And I find that sort of thing silly. I dont think any person deserves that. I didnt say that I think you are doing that necessarily but I feel that others certainly do. I dont think anyone should be given special recognition for doing what they are supposed to be doing in the first place.

  Lastly, yes, AJ could not have been with Brad if he had not been willing. And YES he is guilty of bad behavior and treating his wife unfairly. I never said that I didnt think he was. BUT, AJ could also have said no thank you, we will wait until you are legally divorced. But she didn’t…and since it takes 2 then I find her just as much to blame as he. You dont seem to think that they did anything while he was still married and that is fine too. You don’t have to agree with this and it doesnt matter to me if you dont. I think that he was still married and since I think that then I find it to be bad behavior. Does that mean I am right? NO but it is my opinion of the events. I was cheated on too and I blamed both of them. And also myself for a long time.

  If you want to continue further discussing this that will be up to you. I can tell you that I won’t continue it if you are going to call my thoughts and feelings stupid. Maybe it would be better if we just agree to disagree and call it done?

• Lilianne
  Feb 4, 2008 at 5:42 am

  Oh and one thing I forgot…I don’t find some of your comments to Mama to be particularly kind. You specifically asked her and I about what WE do to give back and when she answers you and tells you she does something every day to help others you give her a very sarcastic answer with that “pat on the back” comment. And she wasnt “unintentionally putting her good deeds out there for others to notice”, SHE WAS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IT.

• Battlemama
  Feb 4, 2008 at 9:59 am

  I think Lilianne has said things exactly how I feel.

  Also, in terms of Brad’s cheating, he said so himself that his marriage with Jen was failing and Angie provided him with an alternative opportunity. Yes, he is to blame, but so is Angie who said she would never be the other woman in a marriage. (That comment was brought up in reference to her father leaving for another woman. I guess in her mind what she did to Jen didn’t count because there were no kids at home and Brad came willingly.) That would be hypocritical since she later came out and said Brad was still MARRIED and she was vactioning with him and Maddox. She also thought how wonderful it was during that time, while he was married, that Maddox called Brad Dad. I wonder if AJ would have felt the same way if there were kids involved. I willing to bet ‘yes’ since she is the one who won the prize.

  I was ending the argument for two reasons: 1) This isn’t the forum for it. 2) Libra and i were both repeating ourselves and our arguments.

  I think it was Lilianne who also said if you are going to judge people by one set of standards, you should judge all. How can AJ be a great mother, dragging her kids all over the world and TC/KH are bad parents for the same thing? How can Suri be a b a s t a r d and Shiloh not? (I don’t approve of calling either that name, but Libra and others have thrown that one around on this site.)
  How can Katie be so bad for wanting to be skinny for her wedding, when AJ won’t get married at all? (And I think that has more to do with 3 failed marriages before 30 than everyone being allowed to wed.)
  How come KH/TC are media w h o r e s and AJ/BP bring the cameras for every charity thing they do, sell photos of the kids, and brag about how much money they donate and that is publicity for their causes?

  I have been one of the first to point out the irony of how when there are pics of Katie dropping $100,000 shopping , there are pics of Angie doing some charity thing. I have even said that is great for Angie and how celebs should be doing things. But, should I be worshipping Angie for that–NO! She is doing what she can with her resources and I am doing what I can with mine.

  Oh, and Libra, when it comes to people, you can’t compartimentalize parts of their character. Yes, AJ puts in great humanitarian efforts, but she is also consciously trying to destroy morals and ethics that the majority of the world hold dear to them. There are people out there who do great things and can still maintain their morals and values. Those are the people who I hold in high esteem.

• Battlemama
  Feb 4, 2008 at 10:07 am

  Does anyone find it a sad commentary on our society that we have to have the UN appoint celebs for charity work, if only for the media hype that follows? That is why the UN is doing this. They approached Jolie for that reason: media hype. She did not approach them! But, she is such the charitable woman and we should worship her. No one approaches me, I just see the need and do it. And I pale compared to AJ. That seems kind of mixed-up to me.

  I think it is also a sad commentary that there is currently in the media here in the US this “Well, my celeb is voting for candidate X and I should as well.” Besides being overpaid, since when did celebs become political analysts who know better than us.

• Libraesque2007
  Feb 4, 2008 at 12:15 pm

  It is NOT a sad commentary…..if you know anything about UNICEF, the use of celebrity spokespeople goes way back. WHat better way to use high profile people for something good. It’s a brilliant thing. Look at all the wonderful things Audrey Hepburn did. People the world over ADORED her as an actress and she was magnificent in her charitable works…people saw her as a saint!!!! Was she a media w h o r e??? NO!!!!!! Why is AJ?????
  I’m only going to say this ONE more time
  IT IS AJ’s JOB AS A UN GA to bring as much public awareness to causes as possible via the media.

  All this b u l l s h i t about “charity should be done in quiet” with regards to AJ….WAKE UP!!!!!
  Heres what doesn’t make ANY sense. You admire celebrities who do charitable work in silence……so….tell me this….how do you know they’re involved with charities if it’s not reported somewhere?????

  Let me dumb this down a bit. Lets say you were given the JOB of raising money for the local church, by having……..a bake sale. Now, lets say you didn’t put up any posters, talk about it with anyone, and you had the bake sale inside your garage with the door closed.
  WOULD YOU BE DOING YOUR JOB?????
  WOULD YOU RAISE 25 CENTS FOR YOUR CAUSE??? No
  WOULD YOU BE A FAILURE AT YOUR JOB- YES

  Also, the AJ bashers are always putting conditions on her charity, and judging her on it. They want her to move to a ghetto and live…THEN it would be “real”, they want her, instead of what she’s doing now, which they find SO repulsive, to ONLY do her charitable works in an XYZ fashion, THEN and only then will they take her seriously as a humanitarian. But here’s the thing….if no one reported on it, you wouldn’t even know that she was doing her charity in QUIET (which seems to be the biggest peeve AJ haters have) so……..you wouldn’t even know it was okay TO STOP HATING HER!!!!! It’s a lose/lose situation

  thats all I’m going to say on this stale subject.

• candice
  Feb 6, 2008 at 6:36 pm

  EXACTLY Libra!!!!!!!
  Lilianne: I dont find your thoughts and feelings to be stupid, it was the point of the argument. And Libra has pretty much summed up why in her last post. Also while i dont really want to continue this “you said so i said” argument i feel i do have to clear up some things as im tired of being told i dont read peoples comments properly. If anything that is the one thing that i do!! If you go back to your first post NOWHERE did you say you think angie does good works. You did say you admire others “who do it quietly” but nothing was said about her. THATS why i posted in the first place. You later changed your argument to yes she does good but you admire others more etc and it continued from there.
  Also in your first few posts you did NOT state that you thought she was a good parent. I find it highly offensive that anyone would say that children born out of wedlock are at a disadvantage etc THAT IS BULL. My first two were “bastards” as my husband and i found that getting married wasnt going to change our feelings for each other so it wasnt important. We prefered putting money wasted on a wedding into buying a home to raise our family. Really its nothing but a peice of paper and aslong as children grow up in a warm and loving household knowing that mummy and daddy love each other who gives a damn about marriage. People go around getting married these days for the sake of it thats why the divorce rate is so
  b l o o d y high.
  So while we may be “In agreement” now about her good works and parenting you never said that in the first place which is why this debate is still continuing now. I dont expect you to “fall into line” and agree with me as i would never do that myself however as i read other peoples comments and opinions sometimes i see something i didnt see, or think about, before which at times leads me to rethink and maybe change my opinion. That is called being open minded and is the reason why i DO pay attention to what im reading and what each person has to say. And lastly about being sarcastic to battlemamma. I generally follow sarcasm with sarcasm. Go back to her post about “giving her a boost” and you will see why i wrote what i did. Yes i asked a genuine question to which she responded with sarcasm. (well thats the way i took it) I just responded in kind. So again read others posts carefully before you comdemn my actions.
  Battlemamma:
  For the record Angie approached the UN to see what she could do to help refugees. SHE APPROACHED THEM not the other way around. THIS is stated on the official UN website along with all her activities. Also i have never judged tomkat for taking suri around the world and actually defended them on it and have never critisized them for having a “bastard” as i had two of my own. And no one said you should worship angie but you were spending more time critisizing her and her “lack of morals” than acknowledging her good actions which i think is pathetic.
  I get the feeling that you and lilianne just dont like her which is fine, you dont have to, but i have to wonder if your judgement isnt clouded a bit where she is concerned. Everyone has a past and when we are young we do things we regret or probably wouldnt do later on in life. Does that mean we have to be condemned for the rest of our lives. I dont believe whats in the tabloids which is why i dont think AJ and BP were involved while married but if you want to supply links to prove me wrong please go ahead. I enjoy reading these things. Just to finish off how the h e l l is she trying to destroy the worlds morals and ethics?? Does the things she says and does change how you value things or live your life?? I doubt it so why are you worried?? Only a weak person would be more concerend with how others live their lives instead of worrying about their own. Nothing she does affects your morals and judging her on her s e x life however different it may be is pretty silly. Not every one is a prude and some people like things that are a little bit different. I dont think that, or her alleged homewrecking (which still needs to be proved) should take away from all that she gives to others.

• Lilianne
  Feb 7, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  Candice,
  You said in your last post that you did not find my thoughts and feelings to be stupid, just the argument. Here are your exact words from Feb 3 at 10:22: “And yes, I did find your argument to be stupid”. Since you used the word “your” in the sentence I took it to mean that you were referring to my words and thoughts since that is what makes up a person’s “argument”. But let’s suppose you are actually referring to the subject of the argument we were having about AJ (which is her charity work and her parenting, etc) then I need to ask you yet again….If you think it is “stupid” then why do you continue it. I dont think it is ok to call an argument stupid when others don’t agree with you and your point of view. You say you are open-minded but your words do not reflect that because truly open minded people can have others completely disagree with them without calling the argument stupid or just dismiss it alltogether. I work really hard here to never ever make anyone else feel like their opinions are stupid or bad or wrong and I would appreciate others doing the same for me. If you in particular cannot do that then please do not address any more comments to me because I will not respond to them in the future. Please make sure you read that carefully. I said ….IF you cannot have a discussion with me in which I do not agree with your point of view without you just dismissing it as being “stupid” then do not address any more comments specifically to ME. I want to make sure there is no misunderstanding about this.

  Secondly, lets clear this point up. In my very FIRST post about this subject I said…..”yeah, yeah, yeah it is great that AJ and BP are “humanitarians” and all that warm, fuzzy stuff but I am afraid that I don’t admire them more than I do TC and KH.” Ok..you will please read the word….”humanitarian”. I was acknowledging that they are humanitarians and I would assume it is understood that that word means that they do “good works”. Perhaps I said it sort of “tongue-in-cheek” but my meaning was still the same. I cannot help it that you didnt see it that way. But I want to be clear that that IS how I meant it.

  As for the good parenting part of this whole thing. I will paraphrase from my post from January 31 at 1:18….since the JP’s obviously care about their children…

  Ok….I didnt exactly use the words “good parents” in that post but that was my meaning. To say that they “obviously care about their children” would imply that. But maybe I am the only one that is clear to say I will say here not that that was my meaning.

  Candice, I don’t change my opinions around to suit others. If I agree with someone I do and if I dont I dont. I am not likely to change my mind about something based upon someone’s opinion. So I will state here for the record AGAIN that I thought from the beginning that AJ does good things for our planet and that she is a good parent.

  Now, let’s clear something else up regarding children born out of wedlock. Using the word “b a s t a r d” isnt something I take lightly. I personally think it is an ugly word. BUT there have been people here on this blog who use the word in reference to Suri yet appear to not think it applies to Shiloh. I think that is unfair and I have said so before and will continue to say it. I also think it is unfair to criticize KH for her reasons for waiting to marry yet holding AJ up for admiration because of HER reasons for remaining unmarried. I dont like hypocrisy. And I will continue to feel that way. I am not the one who started that particular issue regarding legitimacy but I will continue to say how I feel about it. I dont think that ANY child should be called a b a s t a r d…EVER.

  I am sorry that you took offense to the comments regarding “children being born out of wedlock being at a disadvantage”. But perhaps considering how close you are to the subject you cannot remain objective? I say this because you apparantly inserted yourself and your own circumstances into the issue and felt like people were picking YOU apart. That is not and cannot be so since noone here even knew that about you. All I said about that subject is that children of unmarried parents will probably get picked on and called names by other children and that that can be very hurtful to those children. Kids are MEAN, Candice, and I am talking…MEAN. If you have school age children then you should already know this. My 13 year old is very small for her age and has curly hair and there are terrible girls in her grade who say awful things to her about her size and her hair. She cries about it and doesnt think she is pretty because of what these horrible girls say about her. So…if kids need NO ammunition to be hurtful to others then why would any loving parent want to HAND them some??? It just doesnt make sense to me.

  As for whether AJ and BP were together before he his divorced was finalized I will share with you the links I found about the suject. This first one gives you the date of the finalized divorce which was Oct 2, 2005

  http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1112350,00.html

  And here are several links that indicate that AJ and BP were spending significant time together and if you will note the dates on them they will indicate that these dates are well BEFORE the date of the finalized divorce.

  http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1057551,00.html

  http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1080452,00.html

  And here is one about Jennifer Aniston and her feelings about the subject:

  http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1089091,00.html

  Everyone has a different opinon about things and mine is that I personally consider it committing adultery to have a relationship with someone while you are still married to another. I dont care if you have separated and the feelings have changed. It doesnt matter to me if you are no lon