Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes

45 opinions for More Pictures of Suri and Katie Leaving Pottery Barn

• smartgurl23
  Dec 17, 2007 at 8:45 am

  Nice time togeather

• toledo fan
  Dec 17, 2007 at 1:04 pm

  when Suri is with KH…paps all over the place. When shopping alone- ..Yawn….no paps and ONE pic on ONE site.
  Can we say…popularity zilch w/o baby or TC.
  justjared.buzznet.com/tags/katie-holmes

• toledo fan
  Dec 17, 2007 at 1:07 pm

  The “handler” with her- creepy!

• toledo fan
  Dec 17, 2007 at 1:20 pm

  whoops- 4 pics on TWO sites- wow.
  The “handler” sticking to her like glue- still creepy!!
  waleg.com/celebrities/archives/010254.html

• bumblebeej
  Dec 17, 2007 at 1:24 pm

  I really wanna see SC in a pushchair. That’s where a 1 1/2 year old belongs, especially when out and about. I know, I’ve babysat more than a few.

• Carla
  Dec 17, 2007 at 5:00 pm

  Someone should interview the employees in these shops after she has left them, and see what they say about them. I remember when Suri was 6 months old, and Katie walked out of a small store in a town in Colorado. The clerk said that the kid looked weird and creepy. That was back then. I also wonder if the cute but creepy looking troll is allowed to run around and cause havoc. She was let loose in a NYC book store months ago, and she was reportedly taking books off the shelves and throwing them on the floor.

• Battlemama
  Dec 17, 2007 at 5:35 pm

  I decided to keep commenting here. I like discussing things with you guys and I also decided I like BATTLEMAMA better than Balletmama.

  Here is my comment about KH:

  What is up with the coffee, cappuccino (?), and expresso thing? They even point out in the IN STYLE article that she downed two cappuccinos (?) before her photo shoot and interview. (I never read an article before where they mention, at first, what the person they interviewed drank before the interview. It must have made quite the impression on the interviewer.)

  She always has one in her hand and they are usually the extra large cups. I thought Scientologists were not allowed to use substances/stimulants, but Holmes has a serious caffeine (?) problem. Even when preggo, she kept downing the large expressos. Again, I was under impression that a lot caffeine was bad for the baby.

  Carla, Suri sounds like a normal baby whose parents let her do whatever she wants, which is tragic for Suri. The bookstore thing is why I kept my kids in a stroller when I went in the store–in order to keep the kids from doing what they do best…ripping things off shelves. I doubt KH is humble enough to have offered to pick the books up or to have stopped Suri. I seriously doubt she did either because KH thought there were other minions to do it for her.

  KH fits into her richy, snobby life very well. I also thinks she likes to buy her family Armani and designer stuff so she can show off her money. Kh has really only three things show for her life with Cruise: Suri, TC’s money, and what both have bought her.

• Battlemama
  Dec 17, 2007 at 5:38 pm

  Carla, Suri sounds like a normal baby whose parents let her do whatever she wants, which is tragic for Suri. The bookstore thing is why I kept my kids in a stroller when I went in the store–in order to keep the kids from doing what they do best…ripping things off shelves. I doubt KH is humble enough to have offered to pick the books up or to have stopped Suri. I seriously doubt she did either because KH thought there were other minions to do it for her.

• jajorge
  Dec 17, 2007 at 6:18 pm

  way to go, battlemama! i completely agree. now that we’ve cleared up everything with candice (i hope), i feel free to comment. it’s not suri’s fault, i totally agree, it’s those idiot parents that know nothing about discipline. pitt talks about the joys of parenting, including the discliplining when one of their brood gets out of line….. for holmes, at least from the pictures and interviews, parenting is playing dress-up and PLAYING playing playing and shopping shopping shopping and more playing playing playing, getting snapped by paparazzi, snap snap…. and just letting suri be.

• Lilianne
  Dec 17, 2007 at 6:21 pm

  Have I missed something? I have never noticed KH with a cup of coffee or espresso in her hand. And I wonder how anyone could know for sure that she has a caffeine problem? I drink 2 cups of coffee each morning and drink a soda in the afternoon sometimes and I don’t think I have a caffeine problem.

  I also wonder how we can know for sure that KH did not pick up any books that her child might have taken off the shelves in that store. We can suppose and conjecture all we like but unless we were there we cannot be positive. I really cannot speculate about what kind of parenting style KH and TC have. They might very well be very permissive parents who want to let their child “discover the world” without restrictions. I personally think such a choice is a mistake but it isn’t really my business. It could also be that when in public they do what a lot of people do…appease and pacify the child so they don’t have a meltdown in front of God and everyone. That never bothered me but not everyone is like that.

  On the topic of these pictures…I think little Suri looks really sweet here in her red dress…like she is all ready for a party.

• Lilianne
  Dec 17, 2007 at 6:26 pm

  Oh, and I have to say that I think it is unkind for Carla to call little Suri a “cute but creepy looking troll”. Putting the “cute” in there before the insult does not make it less of one. Why can’t we leave the name calling out of it? Besides…how much of a thrill can it be to insult a baby?

• taurusgirl
  Dec 17, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  Battlemama, so glad you stayed :) Lilianne, are you blind???? There was hardly a photo taken of KH, even while preggers, that she did not have a cup of Joe in her hand! Unfortunatley, I am internet stupid (it is amazing I can even make a post here) so I cannot post links or the pics, but do a search on KH coffee and you’ll find enough!

• Battlemama
  Dec 17, 2007 at 9:33 pm

  There is one of KH in January or so when she was expecting with a huge cup she bought from Starbucks. Also, if you read the intro of the IN STYLE article, it mentions KH downed 2 cappuccinos rapidly when she got there.

  When KH went for a fitting for MAD MONEY, she is photographed with yet another huge cup from Starbucks.

• candice
  Dec 17, 2007 at 9:35 pm

  battlemamma im also glad you stayed and that you changed your name :). And i agree with lilianne about calling a bub (any bub) a troll. Pretty low carla. About the stroller. I always have mine in the car but most times i leave it in the boot as halfway round the shops my daughter will throw a tantrum and want to get out. (And i dont even shop for very long) Maybe its because she can see my 5 year old walking around or maybe she just gets bored but i have ended up carrying her and pushing the stroller which makes navigating your way around the shops almost impossible. Sometimes when im out to buy one specific thing its just easier to carry her. All kids throw tanties and there is nothing more embarassing when everyone is staring at you. (with most thinking “will you shut that damn kid up”) I think i would be a bit worried to discipline in public if i was katie as it would be scrutinied something shocking. However that being said all kids need discipline or they get out of control!!!! :) One more thing, mabye not all cups are coffee. Hot choclate comes in cups like that to. Or at least it does over here. Probably is coffee but just a thought.

• Battlemama
  Dec 17, 2007 at 9:50 pm

  I used to think everyone was staring at me and wanting the kid to shut up, but I realized that they were all, for the most part, were thinking: “I remember that!!” or “Thank goodness it’s not my kid!!”

  I am sorry, but common sensem which KH seems to lack, would dictate that you don’t a kid into some stores. Fancy Paris Clothing Stores is one them.

• Battlemama
  Dec 17, 2007 at 9:55 pm

  Sorry about the grammar: “I am sorry, but common sense, which KH seems to lack, would dictate that you don’t take a kid into some stores. A fancy Parisian Clothing Store is one them. ” But, KH had to in the name of fashion.

• candice
  Dec 17, 2007 at 10:34 pm

  Yeah your right alot do sympathise (i do myself)but i have overheard people make comments like “what a monster” and “people shouldnt bring screamin kids into the shops”. They werent always talking about mine but still they were said. I kinda admire katie for not leaving suri with a nanny. She might be out shoping for ridiculous clothes and getting a good “pr opportunity” but im sure all suri see’s it as im hanging out with mum!! I have taken my kids to shops which arnt really practical (loads of breakable stuff) but if you dont have a baby sitter and you need to get a b’day pressie or something what can you do??

• Lilianne
  Dec 18, 2007 at 7:19 am

  So that is what has been wrong with me?! Thanks Taurus for helping me figure it out. I’m blind!! That would explain why I keep running into walls and am chronically late for appointments. Ha Ha. Actually, my eyesight is just fine. I am not saying that KH never drinks a cup of coffee and I am sure there are photographs out there to prove it but my point is that she is not constantly photographed with coffee in hand. There are plenty to be found where she has none.

  So what if she had some coffee while pregnant. I’ve seen pregnant women do far worse while pregnant than drink coffee…like smoke and drink alcohol. Before anyone can jump on me and say that a pregnant woman should try to do all she can to make her baby healthy and blah blah let me say that I do agree with that. But drinking coffee does not make you a bad mother and I believe that might have been the implication made. Ok..done with that because it is pretty much a ridiculous thing to debate.

  I also have to say that I don’t understand where all this loathing for KH comes from. It seems like no matter what she does she is going to be criticized and picked apart. So she takes her child into stores that are more typically known for adults. If you only take your children into “kid friendly” stores then they never learn how to behave in other places. They don’t learn how to keep their hands off things. They don’t learn about limitations and not crossing certain boundaries.

  The whole thing just bugs me because it reminds me of what happens in junior high..you know…where certain people get picked on no matter what they do. The mean kids will find a reason to be hateful even if none exists.

• candice
  Dec 18, 2007 at 7:44 am

  I do have to agree lilianne. I have a question for any of you who are americans, which is completley off topic, but i couldnt be bothered waiting for another pic of suri with a bottle to show up so i can ask. What is the bag in suri’s bottle? is this how your formula comes? I have never seen anything like it. Scientology curiosity got the better of me and i googled it again only to read that many scientologist give their kids a barley formula. Is that what katie gives little suri? Im just curious. Taurus girl, your a nurse what is barley formula? One website said it was no good???

• candice
  Dec 18, 2007 at 8:01 am

  I dont know if anyone is interested and i will probably be told to stay on topic but i just read web page from a guy who has been a scientologist for 30 years. He was a fairly honest sounding guy and explained the what scientologist think of god and xmas.
  http://www.torymagoo.org/holyday1.htm
  I found it very interesting. might explain the pressie buying.

• Battlemama
  Dec 18, 2007 at 9:00 am

  So in other words, candice, this is all a fake sham that they are putting on for the world with celebrating Christmas. I think this goes back to my post about why are these idiots and people like them celebrating Christmas when they don’t believe in the real reason we celebrate Christmas…Christ’s birth. From the site you mentioned, Scientologists do it to get money.

  Are they really a religion or just a business making money? How sad that you can’t get help for free? Why do they even have tax exempt status when they are only a money-making machine/business?

  Also, this just further proves my point about how phoney these two idiots really are!!!

• Battlemama
  Dec 18, 2007 at 9:11 am

  The bottle with bag is used with newborn babies and is for formula. But, you can use regular bottles without bags, and most do because the liners are expensive to keep replacing. (Note the newborn Babies thing! The are called Newborn nursers, I believe.) My son did have a bottle until 2-2 1/2 years, but it was for juice or milk and only for naps or so my husband and I can sleep in. (We paid for that one with cavities and ear infections.)

  The only thing I know about barley formula is that is in a book called NOURISHING TRADITIONS, I think. It is a homemade formula that is supposed to more ‘natural’ and better for an infant. (Again, note the infant part!)

  (NO, I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, SO IF I AM WRONG, I AM WRONG.)

  It is very unusual here in the U.S. to see a baby on formula after 1 year because they usually go on regular or soy milk and are eating solid food. Formula does not have the calories a baby Suri’s age needs and toddlers get most of their nutrition from regular food.

• Battlemama
  Dec 18, 2007 at 9:36 am

  My theory about people who make those comments are: 1) They don’t have kids yet. 2) They forgot what little ones are like. OR 3) They dislike their own kids and dump them on a nanny.

  The Paris shop comment had to do with the fact that KH had a photo shoot with OK or US MAG (can’t remember which) and she took Suri shopping in the Paris shopping district. She let Suri play with a black magic marker and then she dropped Suri because she tripped in her 4 inch heels. She continued shopping in heels after both incidents and with her knee bleeding because it was all PR stunt, not a Mommy and ME day.

  I could careless about the Mommy and Me thing. It is great she is hands-on parenting. But, KH lacks common sense sometimes with where she takes Suri on these outings. Showing up at Berlin Fashion week with Suri, that was ridiculous on KH’S part. No one there wants to hear or see a baby running around. Thankfully, they turned her away at the door because they did not want a baby there.

  I went in those kinds of shops, too, to get things, but my kids stayed locked in the stroller and I got what I wanted and left. Then, I let them out after we left the store. This is mostly because I was afraind they would touch and break and i would have to pay for it. Sorry, I don’t have Cruise’s money and i have to worry about those things.

  And Lilianne, 12-18 month olds don’t get “Don’t touch!” very well. I told my kids, but I also tried to keep them away from the breakable things because they were normal kids who wanted to touch and take things off shelves. I took my kids to the library and other places since they were infants so they could learn to behave in public, but in less breakable area. But common sense has to come into play sometimes and parents have to realize toddlers are not miniature sized adults with adult intelligence and capacity to not touch and throw.

• Lilianne
  Dec 18, 2007 at 9:46 am

  Yes, Mama, I understand that 12-18 month olds cannot understand “do not touch” very well. That is why they must be taught…maybe by a light tap on the hand and by saying it verbally. Picking the child up to prevent them from touching is another method. I raised 2 children of my own and they are now 18 and 13. I worked in a daycare for about 10 years and now run one in my own home part time…so I know about children and how it works. My own children understood to leave things alone from a very young age because I taught them. I didn’t have to worry about taking them to Grandma’s house or a friends or a certain store because they left things alone. My friends and relatives were not forced to suffer having their pretty things touched and/or broken and they did not have to cringe when they saw me coming and worry about putting their things out of reach. Kids know what you teach them and saying they are too young is a poor excuse because then they NEVER learn.

• Lilianne
  Dec 18, 2007 at 9:50 am

  Also, I know that kids are not miniature adults. But they should be treated as people with a capacity to learn and understand the same as any adult. Even young children who cannot verbalize their needs and wants well can understand when spoken to. One of the little ones I take care of part time just turned 2 and he doesn’t talk well yet but he understands A LOT. When you ask him if he needs his diaper changed he will respond with a nod or head shake. There are lots more examples but I will not bore you.

• bumblebeej
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:00 am

  Lilianne - They may not understand ‘do not touch’, but kids do understand ‘NO!’ from a very early age. But apparently using that word is against $cieo beliefs…?

• Battlemama
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:10 am

  Lilianne: I might be writing to you for advice then. Because I don’t have all the answers and have never professed to.

  I had three kids in less than 2 1/2 years, so it was easier to avoid those stores when I could. They have learned to not touch and I got comments when they were little about how well behaved they were for their ages. But, I was also using common sense about where I took them. I took them to the library and park a lot and usually spent 30 minutes extra there picking up with the kids rather than walking away, as most do.
  I also didn’t let them sit and throw books at any age. Yes, I disciplined in public because that was when it was happening. I have seen a lot of parents placate the kid rather than do it. Both ways speak volumes. I sometimes placated, but if my kid started throwing things or destroying other people’s property, I stopped and disciplined. It speaks volumes about what kind of parent and person you are.
  Also, to allow it in order to avoid a meltdown shows a lack of respect for other’s belongings. If she had disciplined, I would have said “Way to go, girl.” (I almost did when I saw the marker thing and but, then Suri throws her head back, KH hands over the marker and keeps shopping. I mean, honestly, that is not someone who respects anyone else or their property. She just wants to look good.)

  I think KH has forgotten what it is like to count pennies and not be able to replace things so easily. And yes, I honestly think KH sees the rest of us folks as peons who should worship the fashion ground she walks on. (IF IT IS TRUE about the designer clothes she made her family where at the wedding rather than their own, then it shows how snotty she has gotten about appearances, which further makes me question the Mommy and Me days.)

  KH has the advantage of one kid, but she has been pretty silly with where she has taken her and where she wants to take her. I mean, Berlin Fashion Week with a 15 month old. A Spice Girls concert, how many times. I didn’t comment about those in the past, even when I did find it ridiculous. Could you honestly tell me you would have taken your toddlers to these places if given the chance to go?

• Lilianne
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:27 am

  I never meant to give anyone the impression that I think I am an expert on children and that I have all the answers and I apologize if that is how I came across because noone likes a know it all. I guess I was just speaking from all my personal and practical experience regarding children.

  I too disciplined in public. When my oldest was 3 we went to a shopping mall to buy her a new dress for Easter…she decided she was done and started throwing a HUGE fit. I mean…throw yourself on the floor, kicking and screaming fit. I simply bent down and told her her behavior was unacceptable and we weren’t doing anything til she stopped. No response so I picked her up and moved her to a corner of the middle of the mall and waited her out. People were staring and remarking unfavorably..saying she was a brat. But I wasn’t going to let her bad behavior control my actions and when she quickly realized that she turned it off.

  I don’t want to debate proper vs. improper parenting with anyone because I do have very strong opinions about it. I can tell you Mama…that NO I would absolutely not ever take a toddler to any fashion show or concert or a business meeting or any silly place like that because I would not want to have to try and keep him/her quiet and entertained. I would not want to impose possible bad behavior on others who went to enjoy themselves.

• Battlemama
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:38 am

  About the caffiene thing (yes, I know it is probably misspelled), considering how Cruise and Holmes shove it in everyone’s face about eating on organic and natural foods and not using drugs/stimulants, I find it ironic that Holmes usually has a huge coffee cup in her hand. I was merely pointing out the discontinuity of what both say and what they do. If you are going to make a fool of yourself on TV about something, at least make it match your actions.

  Even when preggo, both of them were harping on not partaking in substances that are harmful for the baby/body. Yet, Holmes was seen quite frequently at the local Starbucks with a huge cup in hand.

  I remember feeling guilty over the occaissional hot chocolate while expecting because the caffiene and the heat of the drink are both bad for the baby.

  Part of all this discussion, Lilianne, is that we look at people who are famous and expect them to set a higher standard. They are open to scrutiney because they are constantly in our faces. If you are going to tell everyone they are wrong in their beliefs and you are right, like Cruise does, make sure you and yours are doing it then. I am sick of this attitude, from people like Cruise, that think I have to follow their stricter rules that they think I should follow them or I’m wrong and then they, because they are famous, can do whatever they want to do.

  Yes, it is like Junior High/ High School. You have the popular kids who treat everyone like crap and think they should be worshipped no matter what they do and then the rest of us. The rest of us have to live as the popular dictate.

  Sorry, but I never fell for it there and I won’t here. I will call things as I see them. I am trying to temper my comments because some things are best left unsaid. Also, people have to live with their decisions, but when they shove it at me that i am wrong for not following them, I will shove back.

• Battlemama
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:42 am

  Lilianne: I was sincerely giving you a compliment!!
  I was merely implying that you have experience that I don’t yet. I always look to those who have been through it because they know more than I do. Also, it seems like you have a good amount of common sense.

  I do like to compliment when it is earned and you have earned my respect. You have made me think about a lot the last two weeks.

• Lilianne
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:51 am

  This will be my last comment of the day as I have a couple of kiddies coming in after their morning preschool and they eat lunch. So Mama…thank you for the compliment. I do appreciate it…I just wanted to make sure I had not insulted anyone. I wanted to return the favor to you now because the other day you got after some of the posters for saying unkind things about Suri.

  I do want to say something about something you posted at 10:38…or maybe just pose a question. You said that people tend to look at the famous and expect them to set a higher standard than the rest of us. I have to say that I would personally never look to celebrities for someone to emulate nor would I really want my daughters to either. I say that because quite a lot of them have behaviors and actions that I find highly questionable and inappropriate. I want my daughters and the children I look after to follow the good example I set for them because that is part of my job as a human being. So if that is how you mean it then I agree. Celebrities and the famous have the same responsibility the rest of us have….to set good examples for those around us by being kind, trustworthy, caring people who behave with dignity and respect for others.

  I do also agree with you that people should not go around telling others what they shouldn’t do and then do it themselves (partaking of stimulants, etc,). That kind of behavior makes me crazy because one of my main issues with people is being hypocritical.

  On that note..I am off as my little darlings will be arriving in about 10 minutes. Thanks for the discussion Mama….hope your day is great. And sorry for being long-winded. :-)

• candice
  Dec 18, 2007 at 10:53 pm

  battlemamma, I never said that i didnt think scientologist followers are fake or that the religion isnt a sham. In fact i really tried hard to understand what it was all about but it seemed like nothing but a bunch of crap with to many confusing words and theorys. I was just pointing out to those on this site who have asked the “do they or dont they celebrate xmas” and “why are they buying presents” questions, that obviously they do celebrate and this is why katie is still buying presents even though she is part of a different religion. I was confused on this myself and when i dont know something i try to research it to satisfy my curiosity. Im actually not sure i believe in any religion. It would be nice to fully believe in god but there are to many unanswered questions out there and i guess i over analyse things. One thing is for sure though ALL churches want money from their followers (donation plates etc sent around) But scientologists obviously expect more money for less support. Im not going to get into the disciplining suri argument again as i think you and lilianne have gone over it but i just wanted to ask a question and would really like it to be answered honestly. If katie had disiplined suri would you have said “way to go girl” or would you have found something about it to disagree with aswell. For example “she wasnt harsh enough” or “she was to harsh.” It seems no matter what she does or doesnt do its not good enough for some people. And even if she did disipline what do you think the headlines would of been like?? Suri was already called the “devil child” and “a spoilt diva” etc and katie the “robot mum who lets suri do what she wants”. It would of been something like “child basher holmes is to harsh on innocent suri!!” Ok so thats a bit over the top but you get the picture. And i watched the video of suri and the marker and while i agree totally that she should of had the pen taken away no matter what the tantrum, it seems like some of the footage was left out. Twice it cuts away and cuts back in. And at the end katie is pointing at the ground like she is asking suri if she drew on it and suri is shaking her head no. then the video cuts out. WHY??? how do we know she didnt get in trouble?? I would like some other views on the video if anyone has time. Maybe im seeing something thats not there.

• jajorge
  Dec 18, 2007 at 11:33 pm

  i for one would have been happy to see katie discipline suri. of course, i’m not talking about corporal punishment or anything, but you know, maybe a tap and a firm “no!” as for the marker video, agree, it’s way too short to make out much for sure, but it seemed to me that suri was on the floor of a boutique and bending over to touch the floor with her head…. i don’t even have kids, so i can’t say with any real authority, but i don’t think that i’d want my baby to put her face where people had stepped over, wearing shoes that had travelled god knows where…..

  on the scieno xmas thing, i saw a picture in US magazine with kelly preston greeting jenna elfman and her new baby story, and the scientology centre for CHRISTMAS STORIES. both are scienos, and the picture and caption would suggest that scienos tell christmas stories… that’s why i was wondering if scienos might celebrate a different version of christmas after all.

• Battlemama
  Dec 19, 2007 at 10:09 am

  Yes, Candice, I would have said “Way to go girl!” I had a teen i worked with who was complaining because Mom took away her phone and car for a week because she was out past midnight and didn’t call. She was sitting in a car alone with a 22 year old guy late at night. She was looking for sympathy and I told her “Way to go, Mom!” I mean the girl had a phone and didn’t bother to call. I even asked the teenager, why didn’t you just sit in the living room at home and talk. I doubt her mother would have objected to that. I knew her mom as well and she would have been fine with it. Her only reply was that her and the guy needed privacy.

  As i said, I was impressed that KH started, but then she stopped to keep Suri looking good for the cameras. She also just continued shopping. One thing I was told about kids that age and going to the store: Be prepared to leave if the child misbehaves. It is how they learn. Also, an all day shopping spree is not something for a toddler.

  As far as the parenting, I only said KH lacks some common sense and basic courtesey for others when it comes to where she takes Suri. Honestly, would you try to take your 18 month old to Berlin Fashion Week or a Spice Girls concert? Would you wear 4 inch heels if you almost dropped your kid or to just “play” in the park? No, because it is silly.

  I have never really cared to comment about her parenting before until I saw the US MAG spread on Suri. I was frankly offended about how they used Suri to promote Scientology. I could picture a delighted Kh saying “Oh look, my baby has her own magazine cover!!!” And Candice, you may not agree, but they pose the baby so she can be noticed. Also, what other parent walks around the park going up to people and literally saying “Here is Suri Cruise.” Cruise did that when they were in London this last time. He did it Shreveport, LA last Spring too. He had to introduce Suri to everyone he saw. Sounds like a PR stunt to me and a man in deperate need for attention!!

  I have sat in movie theaters (JURASSIC PARK comes to mind with this one) where there are 3 year olds crying because they are scared and the parents tell them to shut up and watch the movie or the kids are restless because it is an adult movie, not a kid movie. Again, either the parents say nothing or they get mad at the kid. That reminds me of silly KH–”Shut up Suri, so I can shop and look good for the cameras.”

  As far as Christmas goes, I was pointing out how silly it is she is celebrating the birth of Christ the Savior when she and her religion don’t believe in God or Christ!! (She did dump Catholicism.) Christmas is not Santa Claus. This is the world’s way of taking a sacred event and making it a more worldly one.

  Candice, I understand that you have your beliefs and I respect that. You are not harming anyone with your beliefs. My only comment to what you said, and it is something I have struggled with, is that you aren’t going to have all the answers in this life because our capacities as humans are limited. The best we can hope to do as learn as much as we can in order to come to some kind of peace with everything. Of course, there are some things we shouldn’t be at peace with and for good reason.

  But most of my comments go back to Cruise and gang shoving Scientology down our throats, telling us we are wrong for what we believe, and then not following the belief system themselves. They are publically out there prostelytizing (?) and they have used PR girl to do it. They change their message to appeal to the masses and get more money (i.e CHRISTmas stories). That is the impression I got from the article you posted. (Isn’t it Scientology that doesn’t believe in the use of medical practices to save lives–like surgery, etc.? I know they don’t believe in psychology.)

  Thanks for sharing the article because I like to learn new things. I have read other info about Scientology and, frankly, it scares me. It is a cult and a money making machine. I am not sure if they care much for their following until the members try to leave and take their money with them. What other religion, so to speak, encourages it following to go bankrupt, in order to progress?

  The article I posted about Will Smith and Cruise’s stalking of him last week explains how Scientology works. At face value, I would have said “whatever,” but I had previously read more about Scientology and it all fit.

• Libraesque2007
  Dec 19, 2007 at 11:01 am

  WOW, so the $cienos do a lot of pretending around the holidays. they have a choir…..that sings religious songs….that none of them believe in.
  WOW, I’m more disgusted than ever with this cult now.

• Battlemama
  Dec 19, 2007 at 11:35 am

  Hey Libra, we have not heard from you in awhile. I am dying to hear your opinion about the postponement of VALKYRIE, or whatever its name will be. Your comments can be quite amusing to read sometimes.

• Libraesque2007
  Dec 19, 2007 at 1:08 pm

  I’ll comment on the other thread

• jajorge
  Dec 19, 2007 at 3:11 pm

  just out of curiosity, what do the scienos use all that money for? i mean, i know that all religions can be blamed to an extent to trying to extort money, or of running a business…..but i do know that there are also a lot of religions that actively engage in supporting and helping the poor and downtrodden. many missions to africa, asia, caribbean…and food served out to homeless….buddhist monks in indonesia demonstrating for the people….i mean, there are priests and pastors who are worldly and money-greedy, but there are also those that aren’t. what do scientologists do to help those less fortunate?? does anyone know??
  with his wealth and fame, tom could be doing so much more good in the world to help the less fortunate, than supporting a mysterious ‘religious’ institution and his high-maintenance trophy wife’s (who’s not even that calibre) expensive shopping habit. it’s a responsibility we all have as citizens of the earth. even just to be aware. but from interviews, tom obviously isn’t aware; the evils of psychiatry comments prove it. though he says he knows all about it, has he seen a schizophrenic or psychotic patient without meds?

• Libraesque2007
  Dec 19, 2007 at 3:58 pm

  of course he never has. the only thing he knows is the psychotic ramblings of a mad man that he repeats as gospel. Funny how L.Ron was also a monumental hypocrite…preaching the evils of prescription drugs, while he himself was on several AND he was an illegal drug user as well
  hypocrites hypocrites, all of them.
  tc has claimed in many interviews that he’s helped “hundreds” of people get off drugs, when in reality he’s never done it once.

  and to answer your question about the money…..$cientology is nothing more than a complicated pyramid scheme. The money goes to the top people. They also buy up a LOT of real estate with it.

• jajorge
  Dec 19, 2007 at 6:04 pm

  he said it was a “STATISTICALLY PROVEN” fact that ONLY scientology drug treatment worked. for those who need sources, look up spiegel, a german interview featuring cruise and spielberg. i don’t know any christians who’d go so far even though there are a lot of christian detox drug treatment programs too. God can help, but so can other methods!
  real estate for what? who are the invisible bigwigs?

• candice
  Dec 19, 2007 at 8:22 pm

  battlemamma i guess we will have to agree to disagree. I dont agree with everything kh does but then as i have said before everyone does things differently and im while i can see your points im not sure if she is quite as bad as you make out. Lets face it you dont like the woman so it seems fault can be found with everything she does. You do make good points about the shoes. I never wear heals unless i go out with my man at night (which hardly ever happens) So she does show poor judgement in some respects. However, again i dont think its that bad.
  Jajorge, Your right why do they need so much money??? That is the main reason i dislike religions so much. Why should you have to pay to believe??? I think scientology is a load of crap and the more i read about it the more it confirms to me that it is nothing but a brainwashing cult. What idiot in their right mind would tell a woman she cant make noise during labour and birth!!! I popped out a 10 pound 10 ounce bub with no drugs and i garauntee if cruise was around that day he would of heard some choice swear words come out of my mouth!!!!!!!

• Battlemama
  Dec 19, 2007 at 9:06 pm

  Candice, I think you are afraid to admit that we do agree on some things. Also, I have never said she was a bad mother, she just lacked common sense and is an air head. Please stop confusing me with other posters. And stop accusing me of things that are not true.

  Also, I have complimented her on things before.

• candice
  Dec 19, 2007 at 9:11 pm

  im not afraid to agree with you or any one else for that matter. And im not confusing you with other people as i read what you say quite carefully. If you read what i said, i actually agreed with some points you made just not all. I may have given my opinion on your opinions but i dont think that is accusing you. Like i said i think we will just have to agree to disagree.

• Battlemama
  Dec 19, 2007 at 9:14 pm

  I do agree about the money thing. We have a scripture in my faith that says: “Where much is given, much is required.” It includes all that we are blessed with from money to the spiritual.

  I always thought it silly when celebs hosted these $500/plate dinners for fund-raising and all they did to contribute was show-up and smile for the cameras. We are supposed to give, but they aren’t. Same thing with the Global Warming issue, we, the peons, are supposed to cut back, but not them.

  I guess Cruise will argue that he contributes to Scientology, but from what I understand about Scientology, he gets quite a few kickbacks for his status from the peons in the organization.

  There was something posted somewhere that Kidman and Cruise had this fantasy about running through a wheat field together hand-in-hand and the Sciento. Church used basically what amounted to slave labor to help them fulfill their dream. I have yet to have anyone convince me that Scientology is a legitimate religion with altruistic purposes. Most Churches collect money to maintain buildings or help the needy, not to keep celebs happy, like Sciento.

• jpb
  Dec 20, 2007 at 6:49 pm

  love the name change battlemama! what’s up with kh’s pants?? she’s walking on the hems!! tailor anyone!!
  that’s definately more than an “Armani break” in the creases of those pants…

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