Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes

200 opinions for Katie Holmes and Suri Cruise in Paris After Katie’s Fall

• Tia
  Aug 25, 2007 at 3:33 am

  Thanks for the video links guys. It looks like once the paps knew where they were staying, they follow them everywhere they go.

• Dancer
  Aug 25, 2007 at 9:21 am

  I wish she would have bought more stuff!! I hope she bought that beautiful silver dress that was in the window at Maje.. it was gorgeous.

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• valentinebride
  Aug 25, 2007 at 5:25 pm

  I just saw pics of the fall… I’m really stunned Katie didn’t drop Suri… thanks goodness she didn’t… but it was close… you could tell that Suri was pretty close to the ground… I think her feet may have touching… hard to tell. I had posted a link in a previous comment to that video on TMZ of Suri’s fit over the marker. I guess it got deleted or something. Anyhow, it was kind of funny how Suri started to cry and have a fit, but as soon as Katie gave her back the marker, the fit ceased. I’m glad though that Suri didn’t get that marker all over her pretty pink dress!

• Carla
  Aug 25, 2007 at 6:07 pm

  Ok, let’s say that Katie is a good mother. But, she walks in high heels, in the rain, carrying a heavy kid. Then trips, almost dropping the kid, then changes into ugly, high heeld boots, and continues to carry the heavy kid up stairs. She continually dragged a baby around a small city, when the kid should have been napping and playing, instead of shopping. The kid still drinks from an infant nursing bottle, and takes frequent tantrums, which the mom settles with giving the baby her way. Yes, Katie is such a good mom.

• valentinebride
  Aug 25, 2007 at 6:17 pm

  Some moms can just be lazy. Whatever is easy… then that’s what they’ll do. It’s sad, but true in many situations.

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 26, 2007 at 12:23 am

  There is no way to tell whether someone is a good mother without knowing them. You see less than 10% of their life. It isn’t fair to judge someone just by the little bit that we see.

• Tia
  Aug 26, 2007 at 3:11 am

  I agree Batigerbaby88, People can’t judge someone from a 1minute video and pics. I’m sure you don’t expect Katie to let Suri keep crying while the video and the camera are on?! Even if I was her I’ll give in straight away while the paps are around.

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 26, 2007 at 11:50 am

  Exactly Tia. If she was strict or let her throw a tantrum - she would be criticized. Of course she is going to give her what she wants in public, because if she doesn’t- Suri will throw a fit (which any body who has any clue about children knows how normal that is for a 16month old) and people will say what a spoiled brat she is. Or that Katie is an unfit mother and doesn’t care that her daughter is crying. You cannot win with these people.

• valentinebride
  Aug 27, 2007 at 8:23 am

  Well, pacifying a tantrum, giving into a child’s demands, whatever you want to call it… Suri shouldn’t have been playing with a permanent marker. Katie should have snatched that marker right away from her little girl… paps near or not. One, Suri could have messed up her adorable dress and second, and even worse, Suri could have licked or tasted that marker and no telling how many horrible chemicals are in that marker. Suri should have been given or bought a more age appropriate toy for her to play with as mom was shopping… I mean I watched this video on another site, and Suri had just woke up from her nap. So, I’m sure she was a little cranky, and even bored from shopping… but even so, Suri should have had a doll, blocks, something much safer to play with then a marker.

  http://www.tmz.com/2007/08/24/oui-wee-suri/

• valentinebride
  Aug 27, 2007 at 8:27 am

  Oh, and I’m not a Suri hater! I think she’s simply adorable. Not so crazy about her dad, but Suri’s an angel.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 27, 2007 at 10:03 am

  yea, I think the LAST thing I would give my kid to pacify them in a chi-chi shop would be a permanent marker!!!! DUH!!!

  Bottom line, it’s just SO not normal for any responsible mother to continue to wear stilletos IN THE RAIN, and carry your child when you almost just cracked the kids skull open

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 27, 2007 at 12:59 pm

  oh i know. I couldn’t believe she had a permanent marker. Trust me - I was amazed that she was allowed to play with it. Im just saying that people should not be so judgmental of someone elses parenting. Especially when most of us have never been in that same situation.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 27, 2007 at 1:18 pm

  But people are, it’s no mystery that’s part of what you sign up for when you decide to become an actor/celebrity!!!!!! Is it “right”….no, is it going to happen, oh yes, should you keep being affected and keep going on and on how you just don’t get it…..be my guest!!!

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 27, 2007 at 1:23 pm

  that being said…….she’s SUCH a slave to fashion and so concerned about her appearance that not ONLY does she continue to put her child in harms way, after what could have been a very tragic fall, but she wears boots that are rubbing against an open sore
  GROSS!!!
  WEIRD!!!!
  RIDICULOUS!!!!

• tammyh
  Aug 27, 2007 at 1:37 pm

  Libra -You are rarely even civil in regards to these people, let alone kind. They are in a no win situation with you as well as numerous others. If Katie kept Suri at home all of the time - as she and Tom did after she was born - the stories start flying that they are hiding something or that there must be something “wrong” with Suri. Now that they are often photographed with her, they are in your words, “media whores” who are often criticized for their parenting choices. Give it a rest - or better yet - try to come up with ONE kind thing to say!

• Carla
  Aug 27, 2007 at 3:17 pm

  tammyh:

  Libr has come up with at least ONE kind thing to say - she said earlier that the kid is really cute.

  I think that in some photos, she looks sort of cute, but in most looks like a plain, washed-out, pale kid, with a chubby face and chubby nose. I also think that they kept her out of the limelight when she was younger, because she was very unattractive back then.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 27, 2007 at 3:37 pm

  tamm, WHY DO YOU CARE???? WHY are you telling me what to do? Why don’t you worry about YOURSELF, why are you so concerned with me and what I say??? It SHOULDN”T matter so much to all of you what I say about ANY celeb WHO CARES!!!!!
  I’m amusing myself with a couple who is seen by most of the world as A JOKE, but your only comments and concerns are about ME

  And I’ve said plenty of nice things about katie and suri, believe me!!

• Carla
  Aug 27, 2007 at 3:42 pm

  Libraesque:

  You are the best thing that has happened to this web site. You are open, honest, very observant, witty and amusing. You confirm a lot of my observations.

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 27, 2007 at 4:01 pm

  this is really such a waste of time. There are obviously two different kinds of people, those who wish to see the good in situations and those who wish to see the negative. I’m really over it. I just wish people would see that they are only hurting themselves by bringing so much negativity into their lives. I will not be visiting this site anymore. The general outlook of the majority of people who visit this site truly upsets me. I can only hope that people will be as judgmental and hurtful towards you as you go about living your life.

  Don’t spend time beating on a wall, hoping to transform it into a door. -Coco Chanel

  To all those who share the same outlook as me there is a new place to visit to look at pictures.
  none of this negative hateful stuff. It is not fully up yet, but will be soon, I am only posting the address now because i’m not coming back to read the replies to this post.

  http://www.freewebs.com/cruisefamily

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 27, 2007 at 4:30 pm

  listen miss sensitiva mc whinington, you seem to be missing the simple fact that if you’re true to yourself, and live an honest life, you never have to worry about people being judgmental and hurtful. People can’t hurt you if you’re true and honest, to yourself and others! If you really know who you are, and aren’t kidding yourself or anyone else about how you live your life, you’re flawless!
  I don’t sweat the small stuff in life , IN REAL LIFE, in MY life. This isn’t “real” life. It’s a GOSSIP site.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 27, 2007 at 4:31 pm

  carla, thanks for the shout, and the feeling is quite mutual

• Carla
  Aug 27, 2007 at 4:36 pm

  to batigerbaby88:

  You are a cry baby! You remind me of a little girl of 6, who doesn’t like how the other girls are playing with their dolls, so you pack up yours and go home. Bye Bye!

• lalalala
  Aug 28, 2007 at 12:09 pm

  Love shines through both Katie and Suri. Katie always looks fabulous for the media as any star should. I don’t understand why people that don’t like them even waste their time with this sight. Guess they have nothing better to do.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 28, 2007 at 12:30 pm

  I LOVE how all the ridiculous fans defend katies fashion sense even though suri could have cracked her skull open!

• Carla
  Aug 28, 2007 at 2:01 pm

  SInce the day in Pari was paid for by People magazine, as a photo op, Katie had to make thoses ridiculous wardrobe changes, and carry Suri, even if she had to walk through fire. Katie was the fashion statement, and Suri was the pawn. I don’t hate this stupid girl. I just think she’s stupid.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 28, 2007 at 2:18 pm

  I heard the money/pap thing is determined by the number of wardrobe changes in a day or something….I read that about Britney.
  and People IS on the cruise payroll after all, everyone knows that

• Tia
  Aug 29, 2007 at 2:26 am

  I thought it was Branglina who is on PEOPLE and Hello! payroll?! :)

  Libra, what are you doing on this site when your fav couple are on full PR, everywhere…I guess its because Brad Pitt’s movie is coming out next month.

• Lilianne
  Aug 29, 2007 at 10:15 am

  Some of the people who post on this site remind of those girls in highschool who rule everyone through fear and intimidation. The only friends they have are the ones who follow and do their bidding so that the venom isn’t turned on them. There is more arguing and belittling and bickering here than in any highschool hallway you might walk through today.

  Some people here say things about celebrities as though they KNOW they are true. Which is ridiculous to me because how could the average person KNOW anything for sure. It is all speculation, innuendo and rumor.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 29, 2007 at 12:13 pm

  I couldn’t agree more, I find it hilarious when the fan (s?) speculate about how happy t&k are, how she’s a good mother, how he’s straight, etc.. purely speculation

• lalalala
  Aug 29, 2007 at 12:19 pm

  I checked out the site batigerbaby88 told about and it is nice. Just like this one but no bullying and severe negativity.

  http://www.freewebs.com/cruisefamily

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 29, 2007 at 12:36 pm

  do you have to send a resume in, have it approved,, AND have a sponsor like that other one?

  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

• Tia
  Aug 29, 2007 at 2:29 pm

  Thanks Lalalala, I’ve checked out that site and its great.

• valentinebride
  Aug 29, 2007 at 7:27 pm

  I’m sooo ready for the 3-day weekend!!!!!!!!!!

• toledo fan
  Aug 29, 2007 at 10:04 pm

  why NO bandaid on her knee?
  Why not keep a sleeping baby in the car until she wakes up?? Let her finish her nap…what is so-o-o-o important that you have to haul a sleeping baby from store to store?? Where’s the NANNY??
  WHY IS THERE A WHISTLE HANGING FROM HER PURSE???

• Carla
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:26 am

  Be careful. Your excellent observations and opinions will be viewed as negativism and bullying. What crap is that?

  Anyway, Katie was being paid to do a photo op for people.com. That’s why she couldn’t put a bandaid on her scraped knee, because it would then prove that she had hurt herself. I guess she was hoping that those stupid, high-heeled boots would cover-up her boo-boo. The photo op included her changing her clothes, and taking Suri everywhere under the sun, in those upper-crust shops in Parie. No stopping here. for any reason. And the kid wasn’t allowed to sleep anywhere, except on the run. The whistle? Katie probably has to blow it when she needs to wake up the kid, for her brainwashing scientology sessions.

• Carla
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:35 am

  WHat is interesting, is that the baby is very pale in color. Her face does not have rosy cheeks, like a normal, healthy child, who is outside all the time, should have. I don’t think the kid is allowed outside, except when this couple visits fellow scientologists, around the globe, and when they do photo ops. Afterwhich, the kid is put back into it’s mansion prison, and hangs out, either until the next trip or photo op occurs, whichever comes first.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 10:12 am

  it would be nice to see little suri at a park actually playing, having some interaction with her parents in a normal manner, like the jolie-pitts and the afflecks, etc…..instead of what appears to be staged photo ops and a zoom through a zoo. Walking around an empty field, walking through a park dressed to the nines in high heels surrounded by bodyguards….wtf!!!!! so bizarre.

• jpb
  Aug 30, 2007 at 11:30 am

  batigerbaby88 and lalala:
  thanks for the link to the new site. we are bombarded constantly with negativity in this world. i choose to spend my time focusing on the positive, especially in my minimal leisure time. it’s not that i’m naive either, there have been days when i have witnessed things that are very difficult to process. it is especially on those days when i need to find at least one positive thing so as not to pulled into a downward spiral. i really like the pics on this site and i think folks have a right to their own opinion, but between the almost constant negative comments abt the Cruises and the negativity between people posting–it’s more hate than i can handle especially when i’m just trying to be entertained. for me, negativity is just not where i want to spend time. be well to all.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 11:39 am

  ok, byebye now….btw, will your other screen name “tammyh” be leaving also???

• lalalala
  Aug 30, 2007 at 11:45 am

  I do know what is being said in the press - This is my future. This is my family, and I care so much about them. The stories are not O.K. - It eats away at me because it’s just not O.K… to see how things can just get so twisted and turned around. I mean, where does it come from? It’s been heartbreaking to see that… You shouldn’t say that about us, and you can’t say that about my child. As a mother, you hear it and it’s just not O.K.

  - Katie Holmes

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:12 pm

  my advice to katie……..next time don’t marry a g a y guy and pretend like you didn’t get knocked up by someone else!!

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:15 pm

  don’t go around preaching about viginity, then turn around get pregnant, live in the same house pregnant and un-married with two minor children, then have a b a s t a r d baby and maybe the press will leave you alone!!!
  People don’t like liars and hypocrites, she reaped what she sowed

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:31 pm

  well then i can’t wait to see what’s coming to you

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:37 pm

  Libra, how am i not surprised you think Branglina interact with their kid in a normal manner? afflecks, YES but Branglina PLEASE!!!! Unless carrying kids aged from 16 months to 4 yrs old 24/7 where ever they go and the kids never show any interaction what so ever, almost the whole family except Mad they all look very unhappy in all their pictures except one or two.

  Courtesy of babyrazzi….

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  62. kelly | August 30th, 2007 at 6:17 am

  wow, i am glad some of you feel the way i do. i alway’s thought something was wrong with shiloh all along to. i notice in alot of pic’s she alway’s has her mouth open and it look’s like her eye’s our crossed, remember that is my take on thing’s. and we are all entitled for our opion. yes, i have noticed what a brat z is to. she know’s she can get what she want’s from both parent’s. i laughed when i saw the pic’s where they went on the boat, the look on z’s face was priceless, she was pissed that daddy was carrying shiloh. i feel bad for shi, she is alway’s left out. she will see all of this and it might cause alot of resentment. i know i would wonder why i was not included in family fun day’s. i never thought it was brad’s idea right away to have a child with angie, he seemed content with mad. i think she got pregnant so early into the relationship because he may have went back to is true love, jen. and this was almost a guarante brad would be in her son’s life and in the future life later on with z. angie get’s off on telling the persons interviewing her. that mad has a buddy freindship with brad, and zahara is daddy’s little girl, what about shiloh???? brad is starting to treat shi like angie does. i can’t wait until shiloh grow’s up and kick’s z’s ass and give’s angie a real run for her money. and why is z alway’s seem to be carried everywhere?? i saw pic’s of her running just a few day’s ago in central park, i know she has leg’s. and one more comment. angie is all over the world, trying to save it. and so not into gun’s, war, and has a war themed party for mad, boy her kid’s are going to be messed up. you have a better chance of saving everyone in the world, just as a chance to save your relationship with brad. and she went on to say she was not making any more film’s that were violent, she sad her and brad felt that was the wrong message to send to her children . they often went with her and brad to the different set’s while they were filming. there is gun’s and violence in wanted, i am sure seeing that and a war themed party , really was giving him mixed feeling’s.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:43 pm

  #60.

  I know that many of you on here have small children, some maybe 15 mos. old, some younger. My question is this, don’t most babies around this age, sometimes, point their fingers, wiggle, wave their arms, shake their legs, jump and move up and down, bounce around, don’t some babies, I would think most babies, do these things, some even giggle and smile!

  I have seen Dannielynn do all these things and she isn’t a year old yet! And she had a drugged out, doped up, messed up mother for a few months of her young life, and has been raised since then by a single father. And she has been hailed as a very happy baby! Not two parents who are hailed as the Brad, father of the year, and Angelina, the Saviour of the kids in the world! I have yet to even see a picture of either of them even kissing Shiloh, not one time!

  So yes, I have wondered why the vacant dull look on Shiloh’s face, why not only a lack of expression but a lack of anything that I have seen out of many other babies. And for those that say all babies are different, that is true, but don’t all babies do something, sometimes?

  I have seen retarded Down Syndrome babies with more energy, and personality than I have seen out of Shiloh, but maybe, with Brad spending all his one on one time with each child as they say they do, eventually we will see pictures of him interacting with her on her day, and maybe then there will be some activity out of her.

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:46 pm

  I am not insulting anyone but i do remember that one time Brad said he and Ang try not to stifle the childrens creativty - so they tend to be rambunctious. I am pretty sure that equals very little discipline. I am not trying to insult Brad & Ang’s parenting - but all these people say that Suri is a brat and gets what ever she wants - and then praise B&A - seems wrong.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:51 pm

  Sorry to others Branglina fans and for actually involving babies but Libra brought this family into this discussion and since she thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread, I had to post those two comments made by other people from babyrazzi blog.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:52 pm

  why are wasting your time cutting and pasting huge long comments from ANOTHER site about ANOTHER couple
  but since you brought it up, you clearly haven’t seen the recent photos of them at the park, or them on the amusement rides or them at museums, etc……you’re embarrassing yourself. The whole world is in love with this family and can’t get enough of them…you tomkat fans just need to get over it, no one buys their fake relationship or thinks that b a s t a r d baby is really his, so just get over it or go back to Fantasy Island

  btw, this is only ONE of the most hilarious things from that post above, thanks for the laughs

  “i think she got pregnant so early into the relationship because he may have went back to is true love, jen.”

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:55 pm

  and Tia, NO you didn’t HAVE to do anything, you’re grasping at straws. Go to Pittwatch and post your nonsense, not here

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:57 pm

  tia WHO brought up brangelina on this thread? OH YEA, that would be YOU

  I thought it was Branglina who is on PEOPLE and Hello! payroll?! :)

  Libra, what are you doing on this site when your fav couple are on full PR, everywhere…I guess its because Brad Pitt’s movie is coming out next month.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 12:58 pm

  Here is a link, where I got those commets.

  http://babyrazzi.com/baby/2007/08/29/brad-pitt-zahara-in-new-york/#comments

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:01 pm

  Who compared their parenting skills? YOU!

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:01 pm

  i like how you call suri a b a s t a r d. Pretty sure your favorite couple has one too.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:08 pm

  tia why didn’t you cut and paste the comments from those deranged people on BR about how they predict Brad and Z will have an affair????

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:08 pm

  I’ve seen all the pics you’re talking about and NO interaction at all….yes a couple of pics of Z smiling but in general she scowls. And that picture of them at amusement rides was a PR. If the whole world is in love with that family then how come both of their movies were a disappointment at the box office? If you mean they sell magazines then ok.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:10 pm

  don’t start with me “bat” you’ll lose
  Brad and Ang weren’t engaged for almost a year AND ang would never have a b a s t a r d baby because she doesn’t want to look FAT at her wedding
  so really GIVE IT UP

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:10 pm

  I only wanted to post the comments about their interaction since that is what we’re talking about.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:10 pm

  And here is more….

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  75. Kayla | August 30th, 2007 at 10:51 am

  The latest Jolie Pitt pictures look too staged for me. I think they want to potray a certain image. I also think they now realise how unpopular they are after the dismal performance of A mighty heart. I too cannot rule out an affair between Zahara and Brad. Their relationship seems a little cozy for a father and daughter and she seems to dislike Angelina. She is one of my favourites though, my least favourite is Deacon Phillipe, I just don’t like that child. Shiloh is also too lifeless for me but I like a picture of her from time to time.

  I love Suri, that is one beautiful child full of life and personality. I loved Maddox when he was younger, he seems sullen now apart from an occasional smile. I wonder if Brad is really happy. He seems like one living a day at a time. He seems cut off from his former life. I don’t think that is how it should be when you have kids. He doesn’t seem to have friends and Damon his only friend these days seems like he feels sorry for him. I wonder how long this will last.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:11 pm

  You asked me to post then I did. Are you happy?

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:11 pm

  WE ARENT TALKING ABOUT THE J-P’s
  d u m b a s s, this is TOMKAT thread
  like I said cut and paste your rants at Pittwatch, you won’t though, you don’t have the guts, those fans will eat you alive and spit you out

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:13 pm

  Some people have a dirty mind and I guess you would know that since you’re one of them from some of the things you’ve said about an innocent child. So you’re in the same boat as 75. Kayla

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:14 pm

  keep cutting and pasting Tia, you are making a fool of yourself

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:15 pm

  a DIRTY mind??
  wtf!
  when have I said ANYTHING that would constitute a dirty mind?

  you’re WEIRD

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:27 pm

  I’m REALLY glad you posted that link, so anyone who goes there can see all the positive comments as well

  good job tia, thanks!!

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:30 pm

  Libra
  “ang would never have a b a s t a r d baby”

  Last time I checked Branglina are not married so does that make shi b a s t a r d baby.

  Its the 21st century everybody does what they want and includes having babies before getting married.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:32 pm

  Well, I actually like Brad Pitt and think he is alright.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:33 pm

  Tia as usual you’re grasping at straws…. what I said is SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE A BASTARD BABY SO SHE WOULDN”T LOOK FAT AT HER WEDDING

  get it right or shut up

  and everyone knows the J-P’s stance on marriage , so give it up, your point is WEAK

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:44 pm

  Their stance on marriage? What, as if they haven’t been married before? You know what, I’m moving on from this subject because not interested and I’ve said what I wanted to say about them which is, that they are NOT link the “Afflecks” so stop your comparison. I’m off!

• Jacks
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:45 pm

  Why do you get defensive about Brad and Angelina who are people you do not know ( I presume) and then act as if others should not be allowed to do the same with Tom and Katie? Why can’t people just view the site and be quality human beings and leave nice comments?

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:51 pm

  so you DON’T know their CURRENT stance on marriage, it figures.
  and the comaprison WASNT between the afflecks and the J-P’s, it was those two NORMAL families, that take their kids to do NORMAL things, unlike the cruises, who take that poor child to empty fields and schlep her on shopping sprees when she’s trying to nap!!!!

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:51 pm

  yes, please run away now tia, you’re quite the sore loser

• Lilianne
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:56 pm

  Libra, I don’t want to get into the middle of your little war with Tia but had a question I hoped you could answer for me?

  Why do you call Suri a b a s t a r d when her parents are currently married but appear to take umbrage at Shiloh being called the same thing when her parents are unmarried? Please don’t misunderstand…I don’t think it matters whether parents are married or not and feel it inappropriate to call any child by such a name…I just can’t understand why you would and just wondered if you had an answer? Thanks in advance.

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:58 pm

  Well Ang couldn’t have gotten married while she wasn’t showing because the baby’s father was still married to someone else.

  But because you lack the ability to reason - you most likely wont understand.

  This is such a waste. All the reasonable human beings know where to go to get their pictures now. So I guess you and Carla can waste your time here forever.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 1:58 pm

  They took Suri to the park and Zoo as well and the empty filed was to take a helicopter. Like I said Branglina are not normal family like the aflecks and when the parents are happy it shows in the children.

• Lilianne
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:01 pm

  For the record…and I’ve read A LOT of the stuff posted here both negative and positive and feel it is ridiculous for anyone to make assumptions about whether anyone is normal or not. Who gets to decide what is normal anyway? How does anyone even know for sure what any of these families really do outside of what we see reported?

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:03 pm

  The latest pictures of Brad and Z at the amusement park was so stage, even Brad Pitt was looking at the camera. I guess when they saw the Cruise family enjoying themselves in Berlin and got so many positive reaction they decided to do something like them in New York and Chicago.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:05 pm

  Tia, you’re too pathetic for words. It shows in the kids, you mean in photographs, that are taken by 500 paparazzi? The difference? The J-P’s are the hottest celeb family right now, that mob scene in NY was outrageous…the crowd CLAPPED for them, it’s non stop. Whereas Suri and Katie walked all over Paris un-disturbed

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:07 pm

  Lilianne, I agree with you and I don’t know what either family are like outside of what we see but my post was for the comment where Libra tried to compare or say Branglina and Aflecks are similar and normal family but not the Cruises and from the pictures I see of them, I don’t think Branglina are nothing like the Aflecks so I’m just stating that.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:14 pm

  Libra, like I said…I hope it shows they’re loved when the whole world goes and see their movie, ehich wasn’t the case for Ang’s last two movies and the same for Brad. Plus Pitt went in a place where there was a big crowd, so no surprise there.

  And don’t forget when Tom and Katie go places with big crowd they get warm welcome and love.
  For example their trip to Saint-Tropez.

  The couple drew crowds Friday night in a scene that VIP Room clubowner Jean Roch calls “crazy, crazy, crazy. It was an amazing surprise. There were maybe 500 to 600 people gathered outside when they tried leaving. It was like word of mouth had spread all along the Cote d’Azur.”
  “Last night was one of the biggest crowds we’ve ever seen.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:23 pm

  Lili, it’s called an opinion, we are making OPINIONS based on what we see, got it???

  As for Suri…do you even know what a
  b a s t a r d is? I don’t think you do. Suri was born OUT OF WEDLOCK.
  My point is this, and it’s very clear by my above posts, I’m saying Katie deserves what she gets because she’s a hypocrite, she spoke at high schools about virginity, proclaimed she’d be a virgin til marriage, she was Catholic, and she gets knocked up by god knows who, gets engaged and CHOOSES to have a b a s t a r d baby so she’ll look skinny in her wedding dress.

  That child has to grow up seeing herself at her parents wedding, it’s disgusting.

  JUST like it was more important for katie to look fashionable than to keep her daughter out of harms way the other day, it was more important for her to be thin at her wedding, than doing the proper thing and get married before she had her child.

  angelina and brad have NEVER been engaged, they have said they will not marry til everyone can marry, the fact that they had Shiloh out of wedlock is their own affair

  And Brad and Jen weren’t married when Ang was pregnant, so you’re trippin’ “bat”

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:25 pm

  was that AFTER they were denied entrance into that chic club????

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:26 pm

  OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:27 pm

  Pitt went in a place where there was a big crowd???????

  you did NOT just say that, did you??????

  oh my god….hahahahahahaha

• toledo fan
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:29 pm

  to-’Libraesque2007′
  I agree Tom is gay- “not that there’s anything wrong with that” :) to quote Sienfield. But..whether conventional or artificial insemination- Suri is Tom’s- if you notice in some pics she resembles his mother- a rather unattractive woman! Let’s just hope Suri-as she grows up- starts looking more like her very attractive Mother.
  Katie- PLEASE trim this dear baby’s hair!

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:31 pm

  The amount of nonsense that comes out of you is SO ridiculous. Ang was pregnant While Brad was still married to Jen but separated. And whatever you say of their affair if you think Suri is a b a s t a r d baby so IS SHI!!! End of story don’t try to make one different rules of your own to suit your agenda.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:34 pm

  Brad and Jen divorce was finalized October 2005, Shi was born in MAY 2006 so you do the math.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:38 pm

  toledo fan, I don’t think Katie even knows this website exist so I don’t think she will be reading you direct message to her. :)

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:40 pm

  How does a guy that shoots blanks impregnate a woman? She’s not his biologically, but he is her father

  Tia, this is NOT my agenda. YES they were both born b a s t a r d babies, what I have a problem with is everything I listed above about KATIE. I find her behavior disgusting. I don’t have anything against b a s t a r d babies, it happens.
  Just don’t be a hypocritical d o u c h e b a g and low class piece of trash and have a baby out of wedlock SO YOU CAN LOOK SKINNY IN YOUR WEDDING DRESS!!!!

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:44 pm

  Libra, don’t you think ppl change? You think Ang has changed so why not Katie? And there is no prove (direct quote) she ever said she is virgin and will wait till marriage….its only gossip and hearsay.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:47 pm

  This is for batigerbaby88 and Lilianne, who might be still online and sorry if I offended anyone other than Libra.

  Everyone Loves Katie!

  Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have been enjoying life abroad, but it looks like Tom may have some competition as Katie’s number one fan!

  Tom has been in Berlin while he films Valkyrie this summer and the locals have helped bring TomKat even closer. “Katie has been very good for Tom,” a local tells OK!, “Public opinion towards him has changed because of her. Everybody loves her and those feelings have rubbed off on Tom.”

  On August 28 Tom, 45, was spotted at a public autograph signing smiling and snapping pictures with his fans. It’s not just Katie, 28, rubbing off on Tom. Suri (who won the reader’s poll as The Cutest Celeb Baby), 17 months, has become extremely popular with the locals. The proud parents have been letting her run around the gardens of the Regent hotel. The local says, “They’re very loving parents.”

  By Shauna Bass
  http://www.ok-magazine.com/news/view/942

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:52 pm

  no…it isn’t gossip, someone on this very site SAW her speak about it at a high school. If you want to call her a liar, take it up with her.

  And you’re seriously not asking about people changing are you?
  Because you’d be saying that Katie went from a sweet Catholic girl who was with a guy for 5 years and claimed she was going to remain a virgin til marriage and they never even lived together, to a low class sell out who is trying to pass that kid off as tc’s, broke her parents hearts and ditched her faith to believe in a brainwashing cult, lived pregnant and un-married in the house with two young kids, then had a
  b a s t a r d child so she could look skinny

  MY YES she has changed FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 2:58 pm

  so they’re admitting that the germans hate him. and public opinion in germany has changed about him because he has a pretty wife and cute kid??

  Come talk to me when he’s does something worthwhile to change the publics opinion of him, like humanitarian or environmental work.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:01 pm

  Oh my god, you’re sounding so bitter. If you feel this way don’t waste your time on them move on and go talk about the people you like. This can’t be good for you. I Kind feel sorry for you because you must have a sad life. I’m done with this for the last time and I’m off. I won’t be reading or replying today but I’ll be back.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:05 pm

  bitter???? about what??? we’re having a debate here Tia, you don’t have to chime in with your ridiculous dime store psychology

  you won’t be reading or replying today but you’ll be back……???????…..who sounds really sad and pathetic now????

  Are you REALLY going away, or are you simply going to post under another one of your names. I’ll be interested to see who magically appears

• toledo fan
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:08 pm

  Katie’s Dad said he thought Tom was a great humanitarian- IF you consider giving MILLIONS to the scientology center humanitarian- I’ll bet most don’t! I’ll bet most of that money supports (in a grand manner) all the “little people” who run the center.
  Just because Tom is gay doesn’t mean he “shoots blanks”.
  Each is getting something out of this relationship- Katie; more money than she ever imagined, Tom; someone young, attractive, pliable who will enable him to have a better image with the public. Anyone remember ROCK HUDSON??????

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:09 pm

  and fyi, the judge signed off on their divorce in August, so, my statement was CORRECT

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:10 pm

  he shoots blanks

• Hana
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:10 pm

  LIB, I see you’re still the same. I’ve no energy like the others to argue but for your information Tom Cruise does do charities like other A-listers but he just desn’t report every penny he donates to PEOPLE or to the media and not so long ago he was given an award for his humanitarian work.

• Tia
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:13 pm

  You’re unbelievable! If I wanted to reply, I’ll use my own name BUT its getting late and I’ve to go to bed!!!

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:28 pm

  Hana, if you’re claiming he does charity but doesn’t report it HOW do you know about it….PLEASE elaborate on all the charity work that tc does, or has done ENLIGHTEN US!!!

  and the mentor LA award, what exactly did he do to deserve that award??? I mean we all know he got the award, but WHAT was it for??? He donated money?

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:33 pm

  Brad & Jen’s Divorce was final on October 2, 2005. Shiloh was born on May 27, 2006. That is a 7 month difference. Unless Shiloh was premature - Ang was pregnant while they were still married.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:35 pm

  So why was Tom honored? Well let me put it this way - the organization is chaired by Tom Cruise’s producing partner Paula Wagner.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:39 pm

  Rick Hess is also, he’s from CAA, toms talent agency!!!
  ALSO, I guess now that he scored the award Paula no longer needs to be involved, she’s not listed on the Board

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:39 pm

  THE JUDGE SIGNED OFF ON THE DIVORCE IN AUGUST

• batigerbaby88
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:43 pm

  IT WASN’T FINALIZED UNTIL OCTOBER. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHEN THE JUDGE SIGNED OFF ON IT.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 3:52 pm

  okay this is a topic here because??????……..what’s your POINT???? nevermind, I don’t care.
  HANA, still waiting for that secret list of all toms charity work that you seem to be privvy to

• valentinebride
  Aug 30, 2007 at 4:16 pm

  Tia, are you in a different time zone or something? Going to bed? Just curious.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 4:32 pm

  typical tc fan, can never back their s h i t up

• jpb
  Aug 30, 2007 at 4:51 pm

  folks, it’s all been done before. get professional help.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 4:56 pm

  ???????????????
  what???
  are you takling to the voices in your head???

• xkimlewtasx
  Aug 30, 2007 at 5:58 pm

  EXCUSE ME but i beleive we dont live in the 40s nemore. the term is illigitamit now nd nyway no 1 taks any notice. Bastard is used in a different sense now. y r u all so obsessed. t dont matter if theyre born in or ou of married lodes of people arnt married nd they hace kids. if u av a problem wiv dat then ur pathetic

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 30, 2007 at 6:05 pm

  I would expect an illiterate to think it’s no big deal to have b a s t a r d kids.
  you know whats pathetic? That comment……. there are 400 mistakes in one dumb sentence

  I’m out….I don’t think the laughs will get any bigger today than that post

• Boom
  Aug 30, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  Hahaha, I must say, Libra - I never post comments, but this ‘debate’ is too funny not to!! I love the way some people here get emotional while it’s obvious that you’re one of the few who realize that THIS IS A GOSSIP SITE, PEOPLE!! :-)
  That said, you’re actually one of the few who - despite your obvious laid back approach to this whole thing - actually makes sense and uses very straighforward arguments :-) I love it, keep it up!!!

• Boom
  Aug 30, 2007 at 7:56 pm

  …and the whole debate about b a s t a r d kids?? :-) Obviously most people MISSED THE WHOLE POINT - the point being that this was not actually the point - the fact that the kid is a bastard kid - excuse me, an illegitimate kid (is that better?).. no, excuse me, ‘illigitamit’ :-)
  Libra is obviously talking about something else, and it’s too funny how some people get so emotional… ;-)
  noo!!! don’t talk about katie’s kid like this!!!

• loriane
  Aug 30, 2007 at 11:26 pm

  I’ve been checking this site out since last week and I’ve read some of the comments. We have a word in French, I think it might be the same in english. It’s TOLERANCE. More than a word, it is a moral value. And I think it is just so sad how some of you lack this value here. How can you seat down and fight endlessly over the kind of shoes this girl is wearing, or if her baby still drinks out of a bottle. Further to missing an essential moral value, you people just don’t have a life. What is wrong with you, putting so much energy in criticizing someone you do not even know? Can’t you just mind your own business? Or is your life so desperatly empty you can’t find a better thing to do? You come out with comments about child safety etc. I am sure this little girl is a lot more happy and safe than most children in third world countries and trust me on my way to work everyday I see hungry toddlers seating next to the main road and looking at me with so much despair in their eyes, I could bet they would give anything to be in this girl’s arms whatever shoes she wears. Do you put this much energy in helping the children who are really suffering and really need it? It is so pathetic you go to the point of insulting people for such an unimportant cause. So go ahead libraesque, come out with all your angry comments of embittered woman, I will not even read what you are saying as I have read enough to know you are really a sad person and you need a lot more help than Katie Holmes does. I hope you did a better job raising your own children for claiming you know better. And I hope your life is as happy and exciting as the life of anyone who actually respects his peers and tries to do significative things to make things better. And I really hope you did not taught them all the kind words you are using. What a nice exemple of perfect mother you are.
  Apart from this, I am not a fan of Katie, but I think she looks beautiful. And happy. Now if there is anything wrong with her life, I am very sure she has a family and people around her she can talk to about it. In any case, your comments will certainly not change things, or even affect her life. She has a life, with ups, downs, mistakes and laughs, and she seems to be living it to the fullest. What else matters…
  Cheers.

• Carla
  Aug 31, 2007 at 2:40 am

  Katie should reconsider about continuing her formal education. When asked about anything, she responds either with “He’s amazing,” or “It’s not OK.” Maybe not. She can get home-schooled by Tom’s two homely-looking sisters. Tom is bi-sexual. He goes either way, or both ways. And he is impotent. He was married twice, and had a girlfriend for awhile, all of this over twenty years before the onset of la Katie. He couldn’t get those three women pregnant, and katie doesn’t have any magical eggs that suddenly make him fertile. Prediction is that she won’t become pregnant again. Not while she is with him.

• Anon.
  Aug 31, 2007 at 8:35 am

  If Tom and Katie are such the family people, where are Connor and Isabelle? Are they not worth that much to be photographed or what? They are home schooled, from what I understand, and Europe is rich in history and culture. Even on so-called family vacations, there are no Connor and Isabella!! I’m sure they would have loved jet skiing in the Mediterranean…more than Suri did.

  At least Brad and Angie take their kids with them, adopted and biological, and love to be photographed with ALL of them.

  Besides, what has Katie and Tom done with their millions other than shop and indulge themselves? Do either of them wear their clothes twice? At least, Brad and Angie are doing their part to help rebuild New Orleans and bring attention to the world’s problem.
  (NO I am not really a big fan of them either. But, they are doing something worthwhile with their millions other than keeping the fashion industry employed.)

  In terms of illegitimate kids, Katie has cornered the market on that one too. She did not marry when she was pregnant so she could be skinny for her sham, publicity stunt of an Italiam wedding. (It was not a real ceremony, just a party!!)

  **No, I am not jealous. I have been married over ten years to a generous man and I know we will last. I am his first and only wife. We even had a real wedding. Even Katie cannot boast that with her husband!! Iam sure Nicole and Mini thought they would be with Tom forever. I am sure he promised the world to them.

• Lilianne
  Aug 31, 2007 at 8:58 am

  I have to say that after reading the many posts from yesterday that this situation sounds like a bizarre game of “my celebrity can beat up your celebrity”. But at least Tia doesn’t resort to name calling and belittling others when her opinion is questioned. Libra, I have seen you call others things like illiterate, mentally ill and idiot when they contradict your point of view. You called Suri Cruise a b a s t a r d on here yesterday because her parents weren’t married when she was born and finally admitted that Shiloh is one as well given the circumstances of her birth. BUT you went on to imply that it is somehow more justified in your mind since you SAY Katie waited to get married so she could look nice in her dress and that makes it SO much worse than Brad and Angelina not marrying at all. Is is supposed to be somehow noble that they SAY they won’t marry until everyone can marry and so that makes the circumstances of Shiloh’s legitimacy better than Suri’s? I don’t see how or why you can even take this stance. I am sure that you will come back on here when you read this and call me more names. That is ok. You have said before that this is an OPINION site and and a GOSSIP site and everyone is entitled to what they feel but I think you only really mean that if that opinion matches up EXACTLY with how you feel and what you say. And if it doesn’t then you will try and bully and namecall and make people so angry that they just stop trying so that you can somehow feel superior because you had the last word.

  I fail to see how any of it even matters. Who cares whether or not Suri or Shiloh’s parents are married or not? As long as they are loved that is what matters. Who cares how much people clap when they see the Jolie-Pitt’s or the Cruises in public?

  The ONLY reason I involved myself in this discussion in the first place was because of that ugly word that Libra used against Suri. Things like that are not only unfair but terribly wrong. I think that you should perhaps look in the mirror, Libra, and check yourself. When you become perfect then maybe you can say things against other people. But it will NEVER be ok to say them about defenseless children.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 31, 2007 at 9:57 am

  I read that the other two kids are at Scientology camp. HOW SAD IS THAT!!! They get to see pictures of suri tom and katie jet setting all over the world while they’re stuck in Oregon at some lame camp. DId anyone see jesus camp? SCARY! I bet it’s even worse at $cieno camp!!!

• Lilianne
  Aug 31, 2007 at 10:36 am

  Well, I am glad that yesterday’s bizarre game of “my celebrity can beat up your celebrity” is over at least for the moment.

  I agree that it is strange that TC’s older children have not been photographed with him for a while but I have to say that I have a hard time believing the Star’s reporting of them being in Oregon at a Scientology camp. I mean…they are not exactly well-known for being a legitimate news source.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 31, 2007 at 10:39 am

  so if they aren’t, where are they? Why wouldn’t they be with T&K having a fun summer in Europe???? And I’m sure if they were with Nicole they would have been photographed by now.

• Lilianne
  Aug 31, 2007 at 10:50 am

  How could I possibly know where the older Cruise kids are? How could anyone know for sure unless they are part of their family or circle of friends?

• Hana
  Aug 31, 2007 at 12:47 pm

  LIB, be patient. I don’t actually live on this site like some people.

  Most A-list celebrities like Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, Will smiths, Denzel Washington, and etc. they either donate money to charities that is personal and means something to them or they do humanitarian works, and they don’t publicize it for PR purpose and its not a common knowledge but you will find some of the info if you just google it.

  You asked me about Tom and I’m going to list some of the charities he has done or contributed money to over the years, but keep in mind its his money and its up to him what to do with it just like everybody and just because Branglina have been doing charity for the last couple of years, it doesn’t mean everybody else doesn’t do any. I never really get the comparison between these two families anyway!!!

  Tom Cruise has donated to charities such as, Jackie Chan’s Foundation, the Ashley Flint Fund, Tsunami Relief Fund, Themoms.biz Diabetes Fund, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s, in 2001 he participated at “Time For Heroes” fundrising to raise money for research for children with AIDS, he co-founded an organization to expand a treatment program for rescue workers after the collapse of the World Trade centre in 2002, he was honored in 2003 by MENTOR/National Mentoring Partnership with their Excellence in Mentoring Award for his lifelong campaign against illiteracy and the honor by Mentor LA this year was for his support to them with schools and neighborhoods of some of the most disenfranchised communities in Los Angeles.

  What can I say but a good man never goes down and whatever people say Tom Cruise will be around and remain successful for quite while yet.

• lalalala
  Aug 31, 2007 at 1:24 pm

  After reading all this - why, not sure!!!! Have a comment. I just wish all the baby bashing would stop. I’m not a fan of Brangelina, but they seem to really love their kids. And……of course I think Suri is absolutely adorable and love looking at the photos of all the interaction between her and her parents. People, they have genuine love, it shines.

• Libraesque2007
  Aug 31, 2007 at 2:23 pm

  re: Cruises “charity”

  Jackie Chan sent TC two coats he really liked
  Tom Cruise was pleasantly surprise by Jackie’s action, and asked Maggie Q what she thinks Jackie would need in return. Unexpectedly, Jackie only asked for an autographed photo in return. Reportedly, Tom Cruise said that it is his honour to do so. Of course, as a superstar in Hollywood, he would not just do that. He sent US$20,000 to Jackie besides the autographed photo. After receiving the donation, Jackie immediately gave it to the HK Academy for Performing Arts

  Hana, you should probably update Tc’s wikipedia page because there isn’t a single charity listed there……and given the above story, which DOES NOT constitute charity on TC’s behalf, I can see why.

  okay biiiotches, I’m out have a great holiday weekend, back next week for more fun and games

• Anon.
  Aug 31, 2007 at 2:49 pm

  To be honest, we all must be pathetic since we even care enough about these people to comment on their lives, let alone to gawk at pictures of them. Maybe we should gawk at pics of people who actually care about us as people.
  TC and KH could really care less about any of us. The only time they care is when they need money to shop,etc.

  p.s. Remember they are both actors. They can fake anything, even being happy together.

• xkimlewtasx
  Sep 1, 2007 at 6:15 pm

  Er libraesque, its called txt language, we use it alot in the u.k and if ur countin properly theres 24 in the hole paragraph. 4 all u no i chhose to rite like dat. neway y does it matta how i rite. nd the fact i made is rite we live in a different society now basdard isnt the term ne hears in that type of conversation, just in case u dunno its an offensive tem.

• loriane
  Sep 4, 2007 at 5:41 am

  OMG what I actually get totally emotionnal about is how you guys still think people have to be married to have a “legitimate” baby. HAHAHAHAHA. his is just so out of it… What are you, amish or something? or do you guys live in a parallel world??? It’s just SO amazing. I can’t decide if amazing is the right word, or should I use pathetic? and with those clear last century values still firmly anchored in your mind, you speak about that “brainwashing religion”, scientology, and you are shocked about it??? Who got brainwashed first people? you are condemning illegitimate families just like the nazis condemned the jews, you’re not gazing them because you proclaim yourselves civilized people, but your mind says it all….
  So funny. And so sad.

• Lilianne
  Sep 4, 2007 at 7:15 am

  Lorianne…I completely agree with you. It is insulting to call any child by such an ugly name and even worse to actually believe in what you are saying. You nailed it exactly when you called it sad…and pathetic.

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 9:59 am

  nazis and illegitimate babies……..yea, I see the similarities……NOT!!!!

  It’s VERY clear to me that the majority of the posters here are low class and un-educated. Ask any DECENT person if given a CHOICE if they’d have their baby out of wedlock and see what they say, that is if you actually know any decent people to ask

• Hana
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:35 am

  Nicole Kidman: I lost Tom’s baby when I was 23
  04.09.07

  Nicole Kidman has revealed how she lost a baby early in her marriage to Tom Cruise.

  The miscarriage, which she has never spoken about before, happened when she was 23.

  But she was so desperate for a child that she and Cruise decided to adopt less than two years later.

  Kidman makes the revelation in an interview with Vanity Fair magazine, in which she also admits she has wanted a child of her own since she was 17.

  Now 40 and married to country music star Keith Urban, she adds: “I’m yearning to have one. I think I would be very sad if I wasn’t able to have a baby. Keith knows I want one, and he has been getting there slowly.”

  Kidman has previously revealed that she discovered she was pregnant by Cruise after he filed for divorce in 2001 - but miscarried weeks later.

  The couple had been plagued with rumours about their love life and possible reasons why they had not conceived. They adopted daughter Bella, now 14, and Connor, 12.

  Kidman says: “From the minute Tom and I were married, I wanted to have babies. And we lost a baby early on, so that was really very traumatic. And that’s when it came that we would adopt Bella.

  “There’s a complicated background to that, given that I never speak much about many things. One day maybe that story will be told.”

  She adds: “My mother has an adopted sister, so it’s been part of our family, and I knew it would probably play out somewhere in mine. I didn’t think it would happen so early, but it did.”

  The star also reveals she became engaged to someone else between the split from Cruise and meeting Urban - fuelling speculation that the man may have been U.S. tycoon Steve Bing or pop star Lenny Kravitz, both of whom she dated.

  She says: “I got engaged to somebody … but it just wasn’t right. I wasn’t ready. We weren’t ready.”

  She admits she was “lonely” when she met Urban and tells of being alone after winning her best actress Oscar for The Hours.

  “You’re in a hotel and you’re like, ‘Okay, well, I’m sitting in this big suite with an Oscar and I still don’t have a life - what is wrong with me? Who do I jump on the bed with, and celebrate with, and order pancakes with?’ That was painful, not having that person to share it with.”

  Of Urban, 39, she adds: “I would probably say that two very lonely people managed to meet at a time when they could open themselves to each other. We were a mixture of frightened and brave.”

  Kidman insists they have come through the trauma of Urban’s alcohol and drugs addiction. He entered rehab four months after their wedding last year.

  She says: “We were in a very, very, very bad, painful place and have managed to step through it.”

  http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23410988-details/Nicole+Kidman:+I+lost+Tom’s+baby+when+I+was+23/article.do

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:37 am

  can someone find the 1991 or 1992 Playboy interview with Mimi Rogers where she said tom was impotent and shot blanks?????

• Lilianne
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:37 am

  It is also VERY clear to me that a few of the posters here are no class and ignorant. Ask any DECENT person if it is allright to judge others and make references to their character based upon mere OPINION and see what they say. That is if you actually know any decent people to ask.

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:39 am

  HA!!!!
  I hate to break it to you lili, but it’s a FACT that katie chose to have an illegitimate child, it’s NOT an opinion!!!

• Lilianne
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:45 am

  Perhaps it is FACT that Katie chose to have her child out of wedlock but that doesn’t give you or anyone the right to call her child names or to judge her for that. If you want to bring up decency it should be apparant that you already KNOW that. Decent people don’t judge others or call them names. They state their OPINION about what others do without trying to malign them or belittle them.

• Hana
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:56 am

  I totally agree with you loriane and Lilianne! I can’t believe how judgemental Libra is, specially since she is a gay she should be a little bit sensitive when it comes to judging ppl she doesn’t know and calling others name.

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 10:58 am

  and it’s my opinion that she did not do the right and decent thing by having an illegitimate child and the reason she gave for having her kid out of wedlock is disgusting TO ME.

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 11:01 am

  why would my being gay have ANYTHING to do with my opinions of morality and decency????

• Lilianne
  Sep 4, 2007 at 11:11 am

  Hana…I don’t really think it is appropriate for you to make comments about Libra’s sexuality. While I understand the point you are trying to make it still isn’t right for you to bring that into the conversation. By doing so you are behaving in much the way you criticize her for.

• Hana
  Sep 4, 2007 at 11:13 am

  Well, I know a couple of gay ppl and they don’t judge others so harshly like you do becasue they’ve been judged and unaccepted in the past themselves so they are sensitive and know how it feels. Plus its the 21st century ppl these days don’t bother getting married…there are millions if not billions of people who had kids before marriage that includes gay couples. I just can’t believe you trying to pretend to be righteous.

  Another thing in the past you’ve said you don’t have any kids but do you want any? If so are you going to get married first?

• Hana
  Sep 4, 2007 at 11:14 am

  Actually I’m going to have to read your reply next time because I’ve to go out now.

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 11:22 am

  people don’t bother getting married???????
  you people couldn’t debate your way out of a wet sack.
  katie was ENGAGED for ALMOST A YEAR before Suri was born. She’s not a lesbian or a gay who ISNT GIVEN THE CHOICE

  and I’m not pretending to be anything!!! This is my opinion, it’s based on how I was raised.

  And I don’t discuss my private life here, so I won’t be answering any of your questions.

• xkimlewtasx
  Sep 4, 2007 at 1:27 pm

  We live in the 21st centuary not the 14th. That means that wedlock doesnt really matter anymore, most sensible people and those with hearts say it doest matter, im born out of wedlock big deal hasnt made me weaker, hasnt made me stronger in fact it doesnt matter because were a civilized equal society, this is discrimination which in many is wrong and against the law suri is sorri how old oh yeh a toddler so it doesnt matter to her, her family or most of us, wy does is matter to you alot of people are the same, so if your bezzi was born out of wedlock do u use evey excuse to mock them nope so y r u doin it to a little kid?

• xkimlewtasx
  Sep 4, 2007 at 1:29 pm

  and whats the problem with people bein gay, egen its the 21st centuary.

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 1:48 pm

  okay if I could actually read that mess I could respond, but yea……no

  but what I gather is that you’re trying to justify YOURE OWN illegitimacy, and you are dead wrong there.
  It DOES matter, and you obviously don’t know anything about family values and the impact that they have on society

• Libraesque2007
  Sep 4, 2007 at 1:57 pm

  bottom line, and the illiterate trash out there can argue against me all they want, Suri WILL question why there are photos of her at her parents wedding, she WILL wonder why she was illegitimate when there was no sensible DECENT reason for it, she WILL ask that critical question and the anwser will be that her mother chose vanity over decency, and if you think that will not impact her you’re sadly mistaken

• amy
  Sep 4, 2007 at 2:14 pm

  being born out of wedlock DOES matter if your mother spent years trying to build a public image out of a ‘wholesome catholic gal persona’…
  bottom line…current times or the fourteenth century…child to a pauper or to ex hollywood royalty…suri is STILL NOW and will DIE a bastard child…
  her mother’s vanity and shallowness purely to blame…
  end of in my opinion…